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Old 08-25-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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...their hateful BS.
I just can't take comments like this seriously. Is Sargon of Akkad "hateful BS?" This is a well-read center-left classical liberal who is strongly in support of Enlightenment Values (rationality, empiricism, science, clarity of mind, dialogue, individualism, reality, free speech, and the marketplace of ideas) and calls out illiberal BS.

He doesn't step in line with every pestilent emotional social justice idea, and criticizes the really bad (post-modern / collectivist) ideas, so here he is slowly being deplatformed (banned from Twitter, complete demonetization on Youtube, investigated and threatened by Patreon, and more to come as his opponents who simply don't like his logic and ideas constantly seek to entice various companies to shut him down).

We're not talking about the KKK here. Hateful BS sounds like something an ignorant ideologue would say about it.
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Old 08-25-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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I get the delight left-leaning commenters are taking in these increasingly powerful tech giants taking steps to deplatform their ideological opponents and then whipping out the "private company can do anything and everything they want" and "guess conservatives are hypocrites" memes. I really really get it.
It's not delight. It's actually quite depressing to see people who screamed "government overreach" at the top of their lungs when there was a suggestion that the actual Internet monopolies be kept from abusing their status turn 180 degrees and decide that government action is needed so they can keep using free services.
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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It's not delight. It's actually quite depressing to see people who screamed "government overreach" at the top of their lungs when there was a suggestion that the actual Internet monopolies be kept from abusing their status turn 180 degrees and decide that government action is needed so they can keep using free services.
Tit for tat then.



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Old 08-25-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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It's not delight. It's actually quite depressing to see people who screamed "government overreach" at the top of their lungs when there was a suggestion that the actual Internet monopolies be kept from abusing their status turn 180 degrees and decide that government action is needed so they can keep using free services.
Exactly.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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This concerns me as well. They are all run by Statist Leftists.
I suggest you guys go form your own outlets, much like Murdoch, sinclair , mercer......


me i am delighted to see alts and extremists on the right are finally admitting that liberals are the innovators driving the economy and building bleeding edge businesses that have become central to communication...


cause all i normally see here on CD is alt and rightys lying and pretending the left is made up of unemployed layabouts..
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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Now we see the alt right, religious right hoist by their own petards!


You guys should have just made the damn cake instead of being such bigots. You guys made sure you would not have to make cakes or serve customers....and it is coming back to bite you right in the butts.

The religious RIGHT didn't want to serve, now you can't get service. What did you guys think? Did you really think it would all be one way? the rights intolerance and inability to treat a gay couple like everyone else has cost them bigly.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Earth
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So does that mean that Pam Geller supports strengthening antitrust laws and enforcement?
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:51 AM
 
Location: California
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She's right, they need to be regulated yesterday. And maybe even broken up a little.
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Old 09-11-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Worthwhile article in WaPo the other day: How Silicon Valley is erasing your individuality

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It is assumed that libertarianism dominates Silicon Valley, and that isn’t wholly wrong. High-profile devotees of Ayn Rand can be found there. But if you listen hard to the titans of tech, it’s clear that their worldview is something much closer to the opposite of a libertarian’s veneration of the heroic, solitary individual. The big tech companies think we’re fundamentally social beings, born to collective existence. They invest their faith in the network, the wisdom of crowds, collaboration. They harbor a deep desire for the atomistic world to be made whole. By stitching the world together, they can cure its ills.

Rhetorically, the tech companies gesture toward individuality — to the empowerment of the “user” — but their worldview rolls over it. Even the ubiquitous invocation of users is telling: a passive, bureaucratic description of us. The big tech companies are shredding the principles that protect individuality. Their devices and sites have collapsed privacy; they disrespect the value of authorship, with their hostility toward intellectual property. In the realm of economics, they justify monopoly by suggesting that competition merely distracts from the important problems like erasing language barriers and building artificial brains.

When it comes to the most central tenet of individualism — free will — the tech companies have a different way. They hope to automate the choices, both large and small, we make as we float through the day. It’s their algorithms that suggest the news we read, the goods we buy, the paths we travel, the friends we invite into our circles.

The time has arrived to consider the consequences of these monopolies, to reassert our role in determining the human path. Once we cross certain thresholds — once we remake institutions such as media and publishing, once we abandon privacy — there’s no turning back, no restoring our lost individuality.

Our intellectual habits are being scrambled by the dominant firms. Giant tech companies have become the most powerful gatekeepers the world has ever known.

Privacy won’t survive the present trajectory of technology — and with the sense of being perpetually watched, humans will behave more cautiously, less subversively. Our ideas about the competitive marketplace are at risk. With a decreasing prospect of toppling the giants, entrepreneurs won’t bother to risk starting new firms, a primary source of jobs and innovation. And the proliferation of falsehoods and conspiracies through social media, the dissipation of our common basis for fact, is creating conditions ripe for authoritarianism. Over time, the long merger of man and machine has worked out pretty well for man. But we’re drifting into a new era, when that merger threatens the individual. We’re drifting toward monopoly, conformism, their machines.
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Trump should break up Google, citing national security.
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