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I find that folks that appreciate and have a positive view of their life & the Western world, man, etc. -- tend to be people with a positive outlook -- and they may or may not think highly of Columbus.
But I'll wait for the findings from your statistical analysis on this -- lol.
Mon, How can you appreciate our Western mobility without honoring Columbus (?) He opened the doors for folks wanting to leave Europe.. People with both material dreams, and ambitions of escaping sectarian religious persecution.
I never submitted a statistical analysis, just a different & admittedly subjective perspective.. no need to be patronizing. Peace
To me this is the funniest bit of irony in that Columbus never set foot on American soil. Did not 'discover' the USA -- he was in Bahamas, Haiti, Venezuela, etc. but never touched foot in the Americas. But now we have a bunch of Americans fighting to keep a statue which represents one of the biggest lies in USA history.....
It's hilarious. And people are worried about statues coming down erasing history.
Maybe they should study some history first......and then talk about it....lol.
do you understand that Venezuela, is in the Americas
To me this is the funniest bit of irony in that Columbus never set foot on American soil. Did not 'discover' the USA -- he was in Bahamas, Haiti, Venezuela, etc. but never touched foot in the Americas. But now we have a bunch of Americans fighting to keep a statue which represents one of the biggest lies in USA history.....
It's hilarious. And people are worried about statues coming down erasing history.
Maybe they should study some history first......and then talk about it....lol.
What's the lie?
That Amerigo Vespucci inspired the naming of the Continent but Columbus helped pave the way?
This has been stated numerous times on other threads. Crickets. Folks are to wrapped up in fantasy history to care. And in that world Columbus caused the downfall of the N American Indian tries, brought disease and had a wholesale slaughter in his quest for gold. Ummm. yea I guess he was the first Conquistador.
Columbus was actually a very cruel governor of Hispaniola, so much so that Spain sent an inspector because of the complaints and the records of the investigation still survive, so we can not attribute it to 'the times he lived in'. He was exceedingly cruel even for those times.
The voyage of discovery was a remarkable achievement, but he was a very flawed and unfit character to have any other role of responsibility.
do you understand that Venezuela, is in the Americas
We've been through this over and over and hopefully some people have gained some better geography knowledge. All of those places mentioned including the Bahamas and Haiti are part of the Americas. Being an island does not exclude you from being part of North America nor South America, and all of South America and the Carribean is indeed the Americas.
Some people were obviously napping in 3rd grade when this was being taught.
The definition of pride is a sense of satisfaction derived from one’s own accomplishments.
Nonetheless, there is no shortage of people who seem prideful of their ethnicity, heritage, culture, gender, race, religion, political party, geographical location, wealth, acquired stuff, sport team, school and on and on.
Maybe -- that just shows how we should not idolize or reverse most of them.
That is just being real.
You can be real and still very positive about life today
Why do historical characters have to have been 100% 2018-style politically correct to be acknowledged for having done great things? Do you really think there weren't any people worth celebrating throughout history? There's hardly anyone alive today that can pass muster with the far left social justice warriors, even amongst the ranks of the liberals.
Columbus was actually a very cruel governor of Hispaniola, so much so that Spain sent an inspector because of the complaints and the records of the investigation still survive, so we can not attribute it to 'the times he lived in'. He was exceedingly cruel even for those times.
The voyage of discovery was a remarkable achievement, but he was a very flawed and unfit character to have any other role of responsibility.
there were 3 Columbus's that were governors or viceroys ...
Chris from 1492 to 1500 as Viceroy of the Indies
Bartomomeo (Chris's brother) from 1496-1498
and Diego (Chris's son) from 1509-1518 and 1520-1524
ALL Columbus's are looked upon as governing well, and Chris was NEVER known as a governor, but as a viceroy..Bart was the first to have the title of Governor
I don't have time to argue with people who want Columbus to be Genoan but just a little tidbit he married a Portuguese woman Noble ancestry at a time when Portugal was at it's height(I've heard some try to explain this away but they are ignorant of the society at the time). If you want to believe that the son of a Genoan weaver would have been an acceptable husband keep on believing, it just wouldn't happen in those days. How does the son of a Genoan weaver also gain access to Royal families on the Iberian peninsula? He wouldn't.
The vast majority of serious historians acknowledge the Columbus was Genoese. The evidence is quite overwhelming. Theories about alternate origins for Columbus are not supported by any real evidence.
The vast majority of serious historians acknowledge the Columbus was Genoese. The evidence is quite overwhelming. Theories about alternate origins for Columbus are not supported by any real evidence.
What is this overwhelming evidence you speak of?
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