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Old 08-25-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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actually, read the law of 1986.....it says the border has to be secure and immigration laws enforced after giving amnesty to 3 million illegals that today is 11 million (I believe the number is way higher than that since the FEDS have no clue how many are here)

by the way, Reagan and Congress were under their constitutional rights in 1986. They can pass a law and the President signs the law in giving 3 million aliens a path to citizenship but you obviously want to ignore the rest of the law so do the Democrats.
Presuming you're correct, you actually just proved the futility of your stance.

If the 1986 law said that borders had to be secured after the amnesty was granted, but 30 years later we have yet another 11+ million illegals, then there's little choice but to conclude that it's basically impossible to enforce such a requirement. And there's no reason to believe it would be any different this time. If Ronald Reagan and George Bush following him could not enforce it, why are we to believe Trump could do any better? (and, "because you said he can" is not a legitimate reason)
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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Presuming you're correct, you actually just proved the futility of your stance.

If the 1986 law said that borders had to be secured after the amnesty was granted, but 30 years later we have yet another 11+ million illegals, then there's little choice but to conclude that it's basically impossible to enforce such a requirement. And there's no reason to believe it would be any different this time. If Ronald Reagan and George Bush following him could not enforce it, why are we to believe Trump could do any better? (and, "because you said he can" is not a legitimate reason)

Trump can do it by securing our border better, implementing e-verify across the board, continuing with internal enforcement and denying birthright citizenship and benefits to children of illegal aliens. He needs to take birthright citizenship to the SC and get it clarified as it was meant to be.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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Um no, Reagan granted amnesty by going through congress. Obama did no such thing. Either way they were both wrong in doing so and so was congress as it showed no respect for our immigration laws.
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Old 08-25-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Why do conservatives not respect the Constitution and the rule of law?


It is the liberals that do not respect the constitution and rule of law. let's get that straight. Liberals - communists and socialists.
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Old 08-25-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Why do conservatives not respect the Constitution and the rule of law?


It is the liberals that do not respect the constitution and rule of law. let's get that straight. Liberals - communists and socialists.
That was a remarkably unintelligent and non-responsive answer that did not even read the original question!
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Old 08-25-2017, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Trump can do it by securing our border better, implementing e-verify across the board, continuing with internal enforcement and denying birthright citizenship and benefits to children of illegal aliens. He needs to take birthright citizenship to the SC and get it clarified as it was meant to be.
And then you woke up from your dream.
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Many conservatives did not support Trump. If you mean a small portion as your term for many I disagree with your use. Few did. The base did not support him.

Isn't that what it's about as far as the deceit from the left that we see from time to time. Use 1 data point then act like it represents the group? You offer no proof to support your claim, but that does not really matter.
I, like many other conservatives, didn't support Trump in the primaries.

But when it came to the general election, there was no choice but to hold your nose and vote against Hillary.

Too much at stake with the supreme court.

Apparently many other conservatives also felt this way....or he wouldn't have won the election.

Now, he's the president.

And he is at least trying to live up to his campaign promises, and in that I support him.

Sure would he nice if everyone who calls themselves a Conservative would do the same instead of opposing him for spite.....

We might actually get something done.
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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And then you woke up from your dream.

Trump is already having the prototypes built for the wall, he has been enforcing our immigration laws internally and has e-verify in his 2018 budget. It is the GOP that has introduced bills to end birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens and implement e-verify in the past. We could accomplish those things if not for the Democrats bucking them all the way and even some sell out Republicans. But at least we are starting to see some results so no, it's not a dream.
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Old 08-25-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Presuming you're correct, you actually just proved the futility of your stance.

If the 1986 law said that borders had to be secured after the amnesty was granted, but 30 years later we have yet another 11+ million illegals, then there's little choice but to conclude that it's basically impossible to enforce such a requirement. And there's no reason to believe it would be any different this time. If Ronald Reagan and George Bush following him could not enforce it, why are we to believe Trump could do any better? (and, "because you said he can" is not a legitimate reason)
Agreed. When a policy fails it isn't about who is in charge. It's about the policy.
Anyone here think a different President could have enforced prohibition back in the day? Look at all the presidents we've had since we got involved in the Middle East. Any resolution there yet?

As was said reverse the anchor baby SCOTUS ruling. That's a step in the right direction.
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Old 08-25-2017, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I, like many other conservatives, didn't support Trump in the primaries.

But when it came to the general election, there was no choice but to hold your nose and vote against Hillary.

Too much at stake with the supreme court.

Apparently many other conservatives also felt this way....or he wouldn't have won the election.

Now, he's the president.

And he is at least trying to live up to his campaign promises, and in that I support him.

Sure would he nice if everyone who calls themselves a Conservative would do the same instead of opposing him for spite.....

We might actually get something done.
So anyone but hillary. That's the point I'm making. It was the anyone but hillary crowd. There were quite a few who voted that way. Even democrats. We didn't see conservatives backing him when he got into the oval office. Right off there was problems with repeal and replace.
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