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Old 09-07-2017, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Shortly after the government shutdown of 2013 Obama said if Republicans didn't like his policies they should go out there and "win an election" instead of undermining his policies.

That's what the GOP did, and now they have started to implement their own policies. The difference is, the GOP policy will be established as law instead of executive order.

"Elections have consequences", said that most arrogant of presidents. But now Obama has changed his mind. NOW, changing DACA has become a "moral question". Nothing new there. Democrats always feel that their policies - legal or not - are "moral questions". Climate change; DACA; health care... all moral questions.

The Democrats are afraid Trump will actually follow through and accomplish his campaign goals. They can do nothing but call Republicans racist, homophobes, climate change deniers. And now that Trump has found ad hoc allies in Chuck and Nancy, Democrats are almost speechless.

What Next??!!

MAGA
What do you have against morals ? You DO have good morals, don't you ? Most decent people have a moral compass that allows them to make decisions that are not only good for them, but for others , as well.

The fact that some of you on the right have a problem with people who have good morals is disturbing. I would hate to think that you are one of those people.
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The Democrats are afraid Trump will actually follow through and accomplish his campaign goals.
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Not going to happen,............ .
Pretty scary, huh?

But you're too late. Promises fulfilled are:
* Take no salary
* Suspend immigration from terror prone places
* Limit legal immigration
* Create private veterans hotline to White House
* Coal is coming back. Production is up due to rising natural gas prices.
* Temporary ban on new regulations
* Invest 550 billion in infrastructure
* Cancel the Paris Agreement
* Impose hiring freeze on federal employees
* For every new regulation, two must be cancelled
* Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign governments
* Approve Keystone..........

I would keep on listening, but you're already typing a response about The Wall, and Obamacare..

Stay tuned!
We'll educate you!
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:46 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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What do you have against morals ? You DO have good morals, don't you ? Most decent people have a moral compass that allows them to make decisions that are not only good for them, but for others , as well.

The fact that some of you on the right have a problem with people who have good morals is disturbing. I would hate to think that you are one of those people.
Well, ain't you superior?

The problem I have is with people who claim moral superiority when anyone disagrees with them.
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Thank Listener....

You said it far better than me......

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Old 09-07-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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What do you have against morals ? You DO have good morals, don't you ? Most decent people have a moral compass that allows them to make decisions that are not only good for them, but for others , as well.

The fact that some of you on the right have a problem with people who have good morals is disturbing. I would hate to think that you are one of those people.
Morals are subjective. One person claiming that an action is "morally" good does not make it so. Also, whether or not DACA is "morality" good, it was still implemented in a way that it shouldn't have been, making it "legally" bad.

Simple solution for current Dreamers: Congress expedites the citizenship process for them, they pass the citizenship test, they become citizens. The DACA program ends, no future Dreamers, but nobody who has grown up in America is forced to go "back" to a country they don't even know. Problem solved.
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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What do you have against morals ? You DO have good morals, don't you ? Most decent people have a moral compass that allows them to make decisions that are not only good for them, but for others , as well.

The fact that some of you on the right have a problem with people who have good morals is disturbing. I would hate to think that you are one of those people.
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Morals are subjective. One person claiming that an action is "morally" good does not make it so. Also, whether or not DACA is "morality" good, it was still implemented in a way that it shouldn't have been, making it "legally" bad.

Simple solution for current Dreamers: Congress expedites the citizenship process for them, they pass the citizenship test, they become citizens. The DACA program ends, no future Dreamers, but nobody who has grown up in America is forced to go "back" to a country they don't even know. Problem solved.
don, one thing morality often requires is legality. just because something seems morally right does not make it legal as well.

for instance, lets say your mother was threatened by a criminal in passing. said criminal has really done nothing wrong other than threaten your mother. are you morally right to go eliminate that threat to your family? its not legal to do so unless there is an overt act against the one threatened.

what obama did was possibly the right thing to do morally, but it was the wrong thing to do legally, and that puts into question the morals of what he did.
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What do you have against morals ? You DO have good morals, don't you ? Most decent people have a moral compass that allows them to make decisions that are not only good for them, but for others , as well.

The fact that some of you on the right have a problem with people who have good morals is disturbing. I would hate to think that you are one of those people.
Nothing says morals like using force and coercion on someone when no ones rights have been violated. The left is ethically and morally bankrupt.
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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don, one thing morality often requires is legality. just because something seems morally right does not make it legal as well.

for instance, lets say your mother was threatened by a criminal in passing. said criminal has really done nothing wrong other than threaten your mother. are you morally right to go eliminate that threat to your family? its not legal to do so unless there is an overt act against the one threatened.

what obama did was possibly the right thing to do morally, but it was the wrong thing to do legally, and that puts into question the morals of what he did.
You think it's moral to reward people who commit an illegal act?
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