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For those that are interested in reading the briefs so far submitted to the Supreme Court in this case, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission:
One may want to scroll down to the briefs submitted by each side, read, and then discuss. I have yet to do so, save briefly. I was interested to see that the cake shop is arguing, in part, the First Amendment, regarding the 'freedom of speech'.
Where and when I grew up virtually no high end restaurant would seat a Black party even though in some the staff was all Black.
And even in the last half of the preceding century Las Vegas would not allow Black people to stay in its hotels.
Inconvenience...it's a lot more than inconvenience!
I grew up in a time where there was horrible discrimination at times...and I have seen just how ugly that can be...
I would never want to go back to that. We as a Country, are better than that.
Everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness and liberty. And to not be treated like a piece of garbage
because of their skin color, nationality, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
Discrimination is illegal...against the law, and if you can't open up and operate a business within the specific of the
legality of the law, then you shouldn't open up a business to begin with.
Discrimination is not entirely illegal. Some forms are perfectly legal. If I don't want to hire someone because they have MS-13 tattoos all over their face and neck I don't have to hire them, no matter how qualified they are.
In the case of the baker there is no discrimination. If the baker does not want to contribute to a gay wedding (and that's exactly what he would be doing) because of deeply held religious beliefs what right does a gay couple have to FORCE him to violate those beliefs? They have no such right. The baker isn't refusing to bake the cake because they are gay. He is refusing because he wants no part of their wedding. He objects to that type of ceremony. He has a right to recuse himself from it.
If the gay couple has a right to force the baker to violate his religious beliefs do they also have the right to force a Muslim to eat ham? Or force a rabbi to eat bacon? Or force an atheist to attend church? Of course not.
Discrimination is not entirely illegal. Some forms are perfectly legal. If I don't want to hire someone because they have MS-13 tattoos all over their face and neck I don't have to hire them, no matter how qualified they are.
In the case of the baker there is no discrimination. If the baker does not want to contribute to a gay wedding (and that's exactly what he would be doing) because of deeply held religious beliefs what right does a gay couple have to FORCE him to violate those beliefs? They have no such right. The baker isn't refusing to bake the cake because they are gay. He is refusing because he wants no part of their wedding. He objects to that type of ceremony. He has a right to recuse himself from it.
If the gay couple have a right to force the baker to violate his religious beliefs do they also have the right to force a Muslim to eat ham? Or force a rabbi to eat bacon? Or force an atheist to attend church? Of course not.
Exactly which part of the wedding ceremony involves baking a cake? I have been to dozens of weddings and never once saw a baker there making a cake. I'm pretty sure the baker is not even invited to attend the wedding in most cases.
Discrimination is not entirely illegal. Some forms are perfectly legal. If I don't want to hire someone because they have MS-13 tattoos all over their face and neck I don't have to hire them, no matter how qualified they are.
In the case of the baker there is no discrimination. If the baker does not want to contribute to a gay wedding (and that's exactly what he would be doing) because of deeply held religious beliefs what right does a gay couple have to FORCE him to violate those beliefs? They have no such right. The baker isn't refusing to bake the cake because they are gay. He is refusing because he wants no part of their wedding. He objects to that type of ceremony. He has a right to recuse himself from it.
If the gay couple have a right to force the baker to violate his religious beliefs do they also have the right to force a Muslim to eat ham? Or force a rabbi to eat bacon? Or force an atheist to attend church? Of course not.
The belief that Blacks are inferior is held by Fringe religious groups. And it was widely held by major religious groups until recent times. So you think these groups have an inherent right to refuse to service Black people?
"The government agreed with Philips that his cakes are a form of expression, and he cannot be compelled to use his talents for something in which he does not believe."
Expression my ass.
This guy is in the business of providing a service to the public, and as such he needs to respect all his customers wishes.
If he can't, then he has no business being in a business that caters to the public.
Great news! We can finally tell someone with different values than us to get ****ed and the government backs us.
If that's OK, can we run em off the property too? I mean if they're legally offensive, then it's kinda open season on those that are different, isn't it?
From what I'd heard they were friends at one time until the customer tried to sue them.
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Originally Posted by CALGUY
"The government agreed with Philips that his cakes are a form of expression, and he cannot be compelled to use his talents for something in which he does not believe."
Expression my ass.
This guy is in the business of providing a service to the public, and as such he needs to respect all his customers wishes.
If he can't, then he has no business being in a business that caters to the public.
Bob.
I am very happy for the ruling here and especially now after seeing this post.
Exactly which part of the wedding ceremony involves baking a cake? I have been to dozens of weddings and never once saw a baker there making a cake. I'm pretty sure the baker is not even invited to attend the wedding in most cases.
Creating the cake for the wedding is making a direct, material contribution to the wedding. A type of wedding he has a religious objection to.
Would you force a devout Muslim to cater an outdoor pig roast?
Why is this so difficult to understand?
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