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running his business a certain way fro 20 years doesnt make him any less wrong.
And logic is the very reason he will lose.
The bible does not mention gay marriage a single time, because gay marriage would be a secondary sin.
Its the equivalent of saying dont grill your forbidden shrimp. The Shrimp themselves are the problem, not the grilling. Biblically , being gay is the problem, not the marriage.
To argue a religious stance and not just a personal opinion, you would have to be against people being gay in and of itself, which means serving gay people in any way destroys that argument.
TY for telling me what other people must believe to conform to your [il]logic. Religious beliefs and behavior don't have the logic of math, or logic. A>B, B>C, Therefore A>C isn't for religious [or other] beliefs or faith.
Biblically, I suppose he believes he can conduct transactions with gay people, but not use his skill and effort to commemorate or celebrate their marriage.
Not sure why Sessions and the DOJ are in the midst of this. However, their support does not necessarily mean much.
SCOTUS will rule on whether cakes qualify the baker as an artist who can be selective about his clients as opposed to a tradesman discriminating against people he doesn't like.
Baker apparently has a strange version of the Bible.
The one I have is clear that it is God's business to judge, not his.
Again, his objection was religion-based, not bible-based. Religion is a federally protected class under the Civil Rights Act. The baker does not discriminate against LGBT, and in fact has sold the same sex couple baked goods numerous times. He only declined to create a custom wedding cake for a same sex wedding, which is his right under both the First Amendment's Free Speech and Religious Freedom Rights.
There is solid evidence to support his case against Colorado:
You realize the objection isn't bible-based, no? It's religion-based. Religion is a federally protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act. And I've already posted Pew Research's explanation of the various religions' official positions on same sex marriage.
Religions don't prohibit the existence of gay individuals. But many do indeed prohibit same sex marriage. Hence, the baker's willingness to sell the same sex couple other baked goods but not a wedding cake for a same sex wedding.
What does it even mean to state that "Religions don't prohibit the existence of gay individuals" ?
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TY for telling me what other people must believe to conform to your [il]logic. Religious beliefs and behavior don't have the logic of math, or logic. A>B, B>C, Therefore A>C isn't for religious [or other] beliefs or faith.
Biblically, I suppose he believes he can conduct transactions with gay people, but not use his skill and effort to commemorate or celebrate their marriage.
Its not my logic.
Its the logic the courts will use just like they did in Arizona, New Mexico, California, Massachusetts when similar cases came up.
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You realize the objection isn't bible-based, no? It's religion-based. Religion is a federally protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act. And I've already posted Pew Research's explanation of the various religions' official positions on same sex marriage.
Religions don't prohibit the existence of gay individuals. But many do indeed prohibit same sex marriage. Hence, the baker's willingness to sell the same sex couple other baked goods but not a wedding cake for a same sex wedding.
Any Christian denomination that skips over the :Man who lies with men like they lie with women" part is also likely to support gay marriage in and of itself.
Its a catch 22 for your guy, and yourself for that matter.
Any Christian denomination that skips over the :Man who lies with men like they lie with women" part is also likely to support gay marriage in and of itself.
Its a catch 22 for your guy, and yourself for that matter.
The bottom line is that the baker has First Amendment Rights AND religion is a federally protected class under the Civil Rights Act. The State of Colorado cannot usurp Constitutional Rights nor Federal Protections.
The baker's case is against a State of Colorado Government Agency.
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