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Old 09-09-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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Only in the wild dreams of a liberal bubble is Trump more of a threat. I think it's just wishful thinking and trying to spread more left wing fascist propaganda by the OP.
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Old 09-09-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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I'm confused on the free press. All I see is a 24X7 parade of Trump criticisms in the press. What is Trump doing? Imprisoning reporters? Controlling internet access? Extortion?



I that's the funnies part. The media is 24/7 Trump bashing to the point where they have to bring up his properties when talking about a hurricane, and they have the gall to complain?
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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Just because a bunch of cons don't like ACA, they call it dictatorial. It wasn't; it was passed through Congress according to the laws of our land.

Obama's executive orders may not have been all great, but they were legal and in no way historically unprecedented for Republican or Democrat presidents. Trump uses them too.

You may not have liked his policies, but Obama never did anything "dictatorial.". That's just conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and acting like drama queens.

BUT... Trump has acted in some specific ways that are more concerning.. ways that are not (so far) illegal but that undermine the intent of our Constitution.. ways that Obama and other former R and D presidents have not:

1. Engaging in a concerted effort to undermine a free press capable of criticizing the President.

2. Retaining his businesses stakes and conflating his private profit-making interests with his public policy interests as President.

3. Engaging in gross nepotism - appointing his unqualified family members to his cabinet because of blood relation.

4. Undermining the ability of the Justice Department to act independently by firing the FBI director for political motive and demanding loyalty in private from top prosecutors.


Conservatives talk a big game on Constitution and law and order, as if they were moral authorities on it, but the fact that they are let these concerning behaviors slide tells you they are not serious about protecting the Constitution; it's just self-serving spin.

In the end, I have confidence in our free press, our Congress, and our Judicial Branch to check Trump's power just like previous Presidents so that our Republic can move past him one day.


Excellent. Aren't you glad you're one of the a select group that can see the light?
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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I totally agree with this and everything else in your OP post.
Me too. The problem with common sense is that it's not so common....
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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1. Engaging in a concerted effort to undermine a free press capable of criticizing the President.


Free speech is a 2-way street and the Constitution doesn't prohibit the President to criticize the press when they are bias and have a political agenda.

The Constitution protects the press of free speech but it doesn't give the press a license to push an agenda to control the government and pass policies.


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2. Retaining his businesses stakes and conflating his private profit-making interests with his public policy interests as President.



what constitution is he violating again?


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3. Engaging in gross nepotism - appointing his unqualified family members to his cabinet because of blood relation.




JFK named his brother Bobby to Attorney General because of his blood. I never heard any Democrat/liberals complain about that, they praised them both. What was Bobby Kennedy's qualifications to be the top law enforcer of the land with the history of his father and the mafia?......Trump and any President are allowed to put anyone in his cabinet that he trusts.



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4. Undermining the ability of the Justice Department to act independently by firing the FBI director for political motive and demanding loyalty in private from top prosecutors.




Comey had to go for his gross handling of the Clinton emails investigation and to suggest that the FBI under Comey operated "independently" is a joke and shows you are clueless......Trump should have fired him on Jan/20/2017.

Demanding loyalty to the office when you have a bunch of leaks to the press is not unconstitutional.....if this would have happened under Obama, he would have fired a lot of people in the Justice Department and Intel agencies just on the leaks alone.
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Your screed isn't worth specifics. Try again.
Such a convenient position to hold, isn't it?

Just say someone's point is too stupid to address, and then you're off scot-free. You don't even have to know something on the topic; you can just pretend you do.

Isn't life great...
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Trump is more of a Constitutional threat than Obama ever was


Trump is more of an existential threat than Obama ever was
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:41 PM
 
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Trump is more of a Constitutional threat than Obama ever was


Trump is more of an existential threat than Obama ever was



How?
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Old 09-09-2017, 09:51 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Your screed isn't worth specifics. Try again.
Translation ..you got nothing.
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Old 09-09-2017, 10:05 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Free speech is a 2-way street and the Constitution doesn't prohibit the President to criticize the press when they are bias and have a political agenda.

The Constitution protects the press of free speech but it doesn't give the press a license to push an agenda to control the government and pass policies.
It's different to say you disagree with the press than to argue that they are fundamentally bad, enemies of America, etc.


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what constitution is he violating again?
If you can't figure out that it's concerning for the top guy leading policy for the national good to also have conflicting personal interests running a big business empire at the same time, then you probably don't understand the nature and intent of the Presidency.[/quote]

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JFK named his brother Bobby to Attorney General because of his blood. I never heard any Democrat/liberals complain about that, they praised them both. What was Bobby Kennedy's qualifications to be the top law enforcer of the land with the history of his father and the mafia?......Trump and any President are allowed to put anyone in his cabinet that he trusts.
I don't agree with it. Know who argued at the time that RFK was unqualified? The liberal NY Times.

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Comey had to go for his gross handling of the Clinton emails investigation and to suggest that the FBI under Comey operated "independently" is a joke and shows you are clueless......Trump should have fired him on Jan/20/2017.

Demanding loyalty to the office when you have a bunch of leaks to the press is not unconstitutional.....if this would have happened under Obama, he would have fired a lot of people in the Justice Department and Intel agencies just on the leaks alone.
Lies. First Trump praises him and loves him on the campaign trail for his looking into Hillary's emails, then he gets concerned about Hillary's emails AFTER Russia investigation is known? Bull****, don't be daft. He wanted to stop the investigation.

No President is supposed to demand this kind of loyalty from that nation's top prosecutor; they're supposed to act independently and follow the evidence, not prosecute in favor of the President's interests. I don't think you understand the independence that is supposed to exist between the Justice Dept and the White House.
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