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With all of the many, many, many leaks, allegedly by those in the know, one would think that there would be at least a tidbit of information that possibly ties Trump to wrong doing, if there is any wrong doing that is . but nope, not a thing. Nothing before Mueller, and, apparently the House is also investigating, nothing from them either. Ahh, so many leaks by 'unknown sources', yet, no real info.
It also appears that Mueller is still actively trying to find evidence of wrong doing by Trump in firing Comey .. at this stage, it very well could be that Mueller has nothing and Trump's firing of Comey was not obstruction.
How about truth.
CNN did state that the Trump-Russia thing was b.s., that they were only doing it for ratings. They even snickered at the thought of 'journalistic integrity'. Yeah, not biased at all, hmm?
You do know that CNN, MSNBC, Wapo, .. basically, the 'corporate' media is not the only 'free press' in this country, don't you?
Mueller will not leak anything, and neither will the FBI. Both are as leak proof as it gets.
So don't expect to hear anything Mueller wants to keep confidential. All we will ever learn is who he's talking to at the very most until he's ready.
Even then, I wouldn't expect him to do the talking. He reports to the Atty. General, so when the announcements come, they will be from Jeff Sessions or one of his staff most likely, and not Mueller.
We will know the outcome of his investigation, that's for sure. But until then, there are only second-hand guesses floating around, and everything anyone says must be taken with a lot of skepticism. If there was no wrong-doing, we will hear it. But if there was, we will hear that, too.
The odds are he'll find some of both, given Trump's long association with the Russians.
Just because a bunch of cons don't like ACA, they call it dictatorial. It wasn't; it was passed through Congress according to the laws of our land.
Obama's executive orders may not have been all great, but they were legal and in no way historically unprecedented for Republican or Democrat presidents. Trump uses them too.
You may not have liked his policies, but Obama never did anything "dictatorial.". That's just conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and acting like drama queens.
BUT... Trump has acted in some specific ways that are more concerning.. ways that are not (so far) illegal but that undermine the intent of our Constitution.. ways that Obama and other former R and D presidents have not:
1. Engaging in a concerted effort to undermine a free press capable of criticizing the President.
2. Retaining his businesses stakes and conflating his private profit-making interests with his public policy interests as President.
3. Engaging in gross nepotism - appointing his unqualified family members to his cabinet because of blood relation.
4. Undermining the ability of the Justice Department to act independently by firing the FBI director for political motive and demanding loyalty in private from top prosecutors.
Conservatives talk a big game on Constitution and law and order, as if they were moral authorities on it, but the fact that they are let these concerning behaviors slide tells you they are not serious about protecting the Constitution; it's just self-serving spin.
In the end, I have confidence in our free press, our Congress, and our Judicial Branch to check Trump's power just like previous Presidents so that our Republic can move past him one day.
1. Trump doesn't sit back and take crap from a bias press. Hardly unconstitutional.
2. He cut his ties to his businesses but still remains informed. Hardly unconstitutional.
3. Who determines someone's qualifications? Obama was grossly unqualified for POTUS using your standard. Hardly unconstitutional.
4. Political appointees work at the pleasure of the president. Hardly unconstitutional.
Just because a bunch of cons don't like ACA, they call it dictatorial. It wasn't; it was passed through Congress according to the laws of our land.
Your first error. No, it wasn't. Where do you find in the Constitution the authority for the Federal Government to take over an entire industry? To take over responsibility for your health care?
Please tell me, according to which "laws of the land"?
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Obama's executive orders may not have been all great, but they were legal and in no way historically unprecedented for Republican or Democrat presidents. Trump uses them too.
E.O.'s are used by a president to communicate policy to those agencies under the Executive Branch, to tell them how to do there job. They are not legislation, as the Executive Branch does not have lawmaking authority.
Obama abused E.O.'s, such as with his DACA ruling, which violated law. It was unconstitutional.
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You may not have liked his policies, but Obama never did anything "dictatorial.". That's just conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and acting like drama queens.
BUT... Trump has acted in some specific ways that are more concerning.. ways that are not (so far) illegal but that undermine the intent of our Constitution.. ways that Obama and other former R and D presidents have not:
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1. Engaging in a concerted effort to undermine a free press capable of criticizing the President.
What has he done, specifically, to "undermine" the free press? Please be specific. Criticism of the Press does not "undermine" it in any way. Does the President not have the right to criticize the Press? They lie. When they lie, those lies should be pointed out. When the Press shows extreme bias, and does not accurately report, it needs to be rebuffed. Reagan did it too, and so have other presidents.
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2. Retaining his businesses stakes and conflating his private profit-making interests with his public policy interests as President.
Examples please? Do you have some sources (credible) you can cite?
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3. Engaging in gross nepotism - appointing his unqualified family members to his cabinet because of blood relation.
Where in the Constitution do you find rules regarding whom the President may or may not appoint to his staff or cabinet positions? Please quote from Article II, or cite the specific law you believe he is violating. I know of no law that says the President cannot appoint blood relatives as members of his staff or cabinet. JFK appointed Robert F. Kennedy as his AG.
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4. Undermining the ability of the Justice Department to act independently by firing the FBI director for political motive and demanding loyalty in private from top prosecutors.[/b]
The FBI is an agency of the Executive Branch, and the FBI director is appointed by the President. He serves at the pleasure of the President, and may be relieved of his duty at any time for any reason.
The Department of Justice is also under the Executive Branch, and the AG is appointed by and reports to the President.
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Conservatives talk a big game on Constitution and law and order, as if they were moral authorities on it, but the fact that they are let these concerning behaviors slide tells you they are not serious about protecting the Constitution; it's just self-serving spin.
In the end, I have confidence in our free press, our Congress, and our Judicial Branch to check Trump's power just like previous Presidents so that our Republic can move past him one day.
Since when did Liberals ("progressives," a.k.a., Marxist-socialists) become interested in the Constitution?
You seem to know very little about the Constitution. Why the sudden interest in what is or is not Constitutional? You didn't have any concerns about Obama, who knows next to nothing about the Constitution, and certainly didn't respect it, calling it a "flawed document," and "a document of negative liberties." The Constitution is more than a "document." It is a Contract. It is the Constitution that created the Federal Government, and is therefore the final authority over the Federal Government.
Federalist 45 "The powers delegated to the Federal Government are few and defined."
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To liberals, Obama making up the DACA Law knowingly in violation of the Constitution was fine but Trump overturning the unconstitutional law because it was unconstitutional somehow means Trump is a greater threat to the Constitution?
To liberals, Obama making up the DACA Law knowingly in violation of the Constitution was fine but Trump overturning the unconstitutional law because it was unconstitutional somehow means Trump is a greater threat to the Constitution?
A Constitution they know nothing about, and had no interest in until Trump became President! Suddenly, they think the Constitution is important, but they don't take the time to find out what it says. They just parrot each other and their favorite liberal Media hosts, like "Morning Joke," and Rachel "Madcow."
If they were really interested in the Constitution, they would understand that Hillary, Obama, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, and that entire band of criminals, trashed it!
Just say someone's point is too stupid to address, and then you're off scot-free. You don't even have to know something on the topic; you can just pretend you do.
Isn't life great...
Well, hey ...that's what "liberals" do all the time.
Neither do you, and he was smart enough to realize that. I laughed my ass off reading your "screed" but I responded to point out the ridiculousness of your rant.
Thanks for the laugh. You made my day!
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