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Old 09-11-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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Well something needs to be done about the cost of healthcare. Most countries seem to have universal healthcare so why not us. We are supposed to be the leader of the world. Why are prescriptions so expensive for one. When my son lived in England for a year, the cost of a prescription was under $10 and it didn't matter what drug it was. Here, doctors give you coupons to help with the cost of some meds because insurance won't cover it. And insurance companies are another problem. We have Aetna, and they have refused to pay for prescriptions with a dosage they have a problem with because of their guidelines. They seen to think they know more than the doctor
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Bernie Sanders should be president. He would have won if the DNC and CNN didn't rig it in favor of Hillary and Trump. The only person showing any leadership in the useless congress and democratic party, and he isn't even a democrat.
Bernie would have united Congress, against him. Most of his initiatives would have been DOA in Congress, not any different than say, Ron Paul, had he somehow managed to get elected.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Not a single republican voted for the ACA which means the Dems could have passed whatever they wanted.
So Republicans are basically lying when they say they're for "choice"? Public option does exactly that.

And FYI, back then, there was only a short time when Dems had 60 votes. Ted Kennedy passed away and MA elected Scott Brown (R) which made it 59-41. Since the bill that was passed in the senate with 60 votes (the Lieberman concession) was without a public option, and the GOP was furious with starting a media war against the ACA, Pelosi said, pass it as it is in the House.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Or even better how about: making it illegal to smoke/buy cigs, policies that reduces the people's need to get into drugs, etc..

Those are far better alternatives than trying to just tax stupidity, because let me tell you, you won't get any value out of it.
Getting into drugs is a personal choice, not the result of " policies"

Having said that, I have never, not once, come across anyone who intended to get addicted to drugs.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:08 PM
 
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Well something needs to be done about the cost of healthcare. Most countries seem to have universal healthcare so why not us. We are supposed to be the leader of the world. Why are prescriptions so expensive for one. When my son lived in England for a year, the cost of a prescription was under $10 and it didn't matter what drug it was. Here, doctors give you coupons to help with the cost of some meds because insurance won't cover it. And insurance companies are another problem. We have Aetna, and they have refused to pay for prescriptions with a dosage they have a problem with because of their guidelines. They seen to think they know more than the doctor
They are so expensive here in large part because they are so cheap everywhere else. Everywhere else is able to hold down prices without stifling innovation because we pay for their free ride. Socialized medicine is not the answer. Drug reimportation and fair price differentials between American sales and foreign sales to keep your patent is, in addition to various regulatory changes (there are many potential effective options) to stop companies like Retrophin and Gilead from snapping up companies that do real research to up-charge the drugs.

Regulatory change and reimportation (or a similar lever to force other countries to stop free riding) are both necessary and sufficient to bring down drug prices without killing research. Socialized medicine without a lever elsewhere is neither.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Getting into drugs is a personal choice, not the result of " policies"

Having said that, I have never, not once, come across anyone who intended to get addicted to drugs.
Most of the time, it's economic reasons, not really personal choice.

Same as other things that are looked-down upon in society (prostitution, sugar daddy, etc..).

Once you fix the financial health of the majority of America, then drugs becomes less of an issue. (Fixing financial health means, to an extent, regulating people's spending habits/changing how credit is offered/used). Just facing the fact that America sucks at saving money.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Republican lawmakers will see the light soon enough.
After they have exhausted every other possibility.

But I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Trump jump on the Medicare For All bandwagon. If he did, it'd be interesting to see the GOP congress critters twisting themselves into pretzels.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Or even better how about: making it illegal to smoke/buy cigs, policies that reduces the people's need to get into drugs, etc..

Those are far better alternatives than trying to just tax stupidity, because let me tell you, you won't get any value out of it.
Getting into drugs is a personal choice, not the result of " policies"

Having said that, I have never, not once, come across anyone who intended to get addicted to drugs. Heck, a lot of people whose addiction is obvious to the most caudal observer, deny being addicted. The first lie is the one they tell themselves
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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They are so expensive here in large part because they are so cheap everywhere else. Everywhere else is able to hold down prices without stifling innovation because we pay for their free ride. Socialized medicine is not the answer. Drug reimportation and fair price differentials between American sales and foreign sales to keep your patent is, in addition to various regulatory changes (there are many potential effective options) to stop companies like Retrophin and Gilead from snapping up companies that do real research to up-charge the drugs.

Regulatory change and reimportation (or a similar lever to force other countries to stop free riding) are both necessary and sufficient to bring down drug prices without killing research. Socialized medicine without a lever elsewhere is neither.
That's just not true. My doctor gave me a prescription of a med that has been around forever, yet for some reason it's very expensive in the US. He told me to get it from Canada if my insurance wouldn't pay for it. The US is not the only innovated ones in the medical field.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ah, the old "we can't afford it" scare tactic. Guess what happens after 2026? Costs will roll over and go down. By 2030 most of the Baby Boomers will have passed away, so the number of elderly -- who have the highest medical bills -- begins to fall, and fall rapidly.

Medicare For All will not be easy but it is possible. It's a matter of funding the "cost hump" of the Boomers between now and 2030. To get it done just takes the political courage to do it.
wow..you have an evil way of looking at life

by 2030(13 years from now) most of the boomers will have passed????

most of the boomers aren't even 65 yet (the peak of the baby boom was 1957)
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