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This still will not be liberal enough for the Democrats who demand wide open borders so any security enhancements is seen as a big concession. I don't know why the Democrats are against the wall, somehow they claim a wall that keeps out drugs and ILLEGAL aliens is racist.
What liberals and Democrats really want is unrestricted immigration and a borderless world, like the one John Lennon "imagines".
This still will not be liberal enough for the Democrats who demand wide open borders so any security enhancements is seen as a big concession. I don't know why the Democrats are against the wall, somehow they claim a wall that keeps out drugs and ILLEGAL aliens is racist.
What liberals and Democrats really want is unrestricted immigration and a borderless world, like the one John Lennon "imagines".
Because it won't help and we will pay billions for it. I suggest everyone who is for it should pay and leave the rest of us out of it. Would you be ok with that. We are one race...the human race so I don't see the problem.
Agreeing to work on a deal that already was a fairly bipartisan issue isn't exactly worthy of much praise. Establishment Republicans generally do have a soft spot for 'Dreamers' so it's not as if Trump's really going against the grain here. In fact, the only people he's really up against are his base.
You know what would be really interesting? Is if he decided to back Sanders' 'Medicare-for-all' bill, saying something to the effect of "Republicans had their shot; let's give the other side a go." That would be going against the grain some pretty damn heavyweight bipartisanship.
But that won't happen. Trump reached out on an easy issue. That's not to say I'm not happy he reached out, but let's not make this into something it's not.
Codify DACA... good.
Better border security, in ways other than a wall... good.
I see very little to dislike in these news. If Reps or cons feel the same way, we may have a winner here. I don't care who he has dinner with as long as he arrives at these conclusions.
Hilarious-- Trump is thrashing like a fish out of water trying to get something done to salvage 2018.
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I think Donnie just wants to sign something. Anything. He doesn't care what at this point, he just wants to say he got something done. Right now the Democrats are a nice big block who will vote together, unlike his own party, which just can't seem to get anything to his desk.
That's the extent of Trump's thought process on this.
That's all this is. Trump had no intention of working with Democrats. His plan was to get Ryan and McConnell to ram his agenda through Congress, but they balked. Plus they're incompetent.
Now he's desperate to get things done. These CD Conservatives are pretending to be happy about it, but they're seething. FoxNews conservatives like Hannity and Ingraham at least have the guts to admit that they don't want Trump empowering the Democrats.
So is Trump just going to exclude building the wall and save DACA? That really doesn't sound like what he promised on the campaign trail. He also discussed tax reform and trade...hopefully he intends to strengthen our trade.
The issue which I, as a (small 'l', please!) libertarian have held against Trump since his emergence is his appeal to economic ignorance; to his refusal to dispute the "pop wisdom" among his flock that tariffs and/or a wall would stop the slow erosion of the American economic dominance since 1945, and that we cannot continue to progress without a return to the mercantilism that spawned a two-act global war that killed 100 million people between 1914 and 1945.
And the message of the so-called "progressive" Democrats isn't much different; an appeal to the mistaken belief that economics is a zero-sum game; that if there's not enough bread to go around, the solution is to ration bread, rather than to bake more, and that a "one per cent", somewhere, is "holding out" on the rest of us, and we'd all walk hand-in-hand to the Promised Land if we could only find, seize and redistribute that vault full of money -- which has no intrinsic value.
A pox on both your houses! The only positive we've seen over the past eight months is that the post-industrial economy seems to crank along just fine without micro-management, but if something comes unglued and the boom breaks, both sides will go looking for another scapegoat.
I'm content to sit on my dung-heap and watch the juggernaut go by -- but I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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I love Trump, he gets things done and willing to work with whoever is ready. I told you Trump was going to work a deal with DACA in a legislative way in return for more border security. Now we have stronger border laws and then hopefully Reiublicans are willing to fund money for a wall. Trump is very smart and I think we can see good things continue to come from some of which Democrats will like and some Republicans will like, still most things will appeal to Republicans as expected though.
Revisionist history at it's finest.
What you're basically saying now is, "We were just joking all those months when we claimed we wanted those filthy, criminal illegals who are stealing American's jobs and costing the country millions to get thrown out of the country. We never really wanted that. We LOVE those illegals. Always have."
You fool no one. Trump making a deal to allow the dreamers to stay is the exact opposite of what he campaigned on. He fired up his crowds by telling them about how fast he was going to deport them all, and then keep them out with his big, beautiful wall.
In one fell swoop he did a 180 and the dreamers are in and the wall is out.
But yeah, you're happy about it. Sure you are.
You fool no one.
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I don't care who he has dinner with as long as he arrives at these conclusions.
