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View Poll Results: Antifa is a terrorist group and should be forbidden or not?
Antifa should not be allowed as it should be labeled a terrorist/hate group 83 65.35%
Antifa should be allowed 44 34.65%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-16-2017, 10:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Except Antifa does cross that line, and they do it unapologetically. That is what makes them different. That's why they should be on a terrorist watch list. If these other groups were to take the same stance as Antifa, then put them on a terrorist watch list too.
And KKK and the like have not crossed that line? Please! They have like a multi-century history of violence against blacks. Doubt you care about that?..
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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An idiot and a hypocrite.

The same exact people who slam antifa for violence are the same people who advocate violence against them

Hypocrites and liars
Self-defense is acceptable.

If Antifa pushes you at as you're walking down the street blow the guy's head off.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Forbidden?

Antifa should be *criticized.*

Violence should not be tolerated.
^^^^This. Free speech should be tolerated, violence and destruction should not.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:15 PM
 
Location: US
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It's not that they should be forbidden to exist because they are a hate group. They should be forced to cease to exist because they are a terrorist organization. They have as much of a right to free speech as the KKK, BLM, or any other group. They forfeited that right, however, when they turned into a terrorist organization, and now should be jailed and prosecuted and sentenced as terrorists, including their financial backers (Soros and other Democrats).
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:19 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Self-defense is acceptable.

If Antifa pushes you at as you're walking down the street blow the guy's head off.
If you kill someone simply because they pushed you on the street, you will find yourself in prison for a long time under at least an aggravated manslaughter felony. That disproportionate response is not going to fly as self defense.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The only justified violence is self-defense.
Fighting fascism and white supremacy is self defense, if your not part of the select group.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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And KKK and the like have not crossed that line? Please! They have like a multi-century history of violence against blacks. Doubt you care about that?..
They don't have a problem with violence , they have a problem with violence when it's directed towards right wingers
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Since they freely admit that their belief is that violence is an acceptable reaction to speech, yes, they should be banned.

I don't like communists or white supremacists, but as long as they are not committing acts of violence they are free to say whatever they want to say. The difference with Antifa is they promote violence AND they follow through on it.
To my knowledge, antifa doesn't promote violence, but they match it. They meet noise with noise, demonstrations with demonstrations, and if violence breaks out, with violence. The whole objective is to deny Nazis and fascists getting away with anything. They don't avoid or ignore the nazis, they confront them in kind wherever they are.

The fascists never disappeared in Europe after the war. Spain, Italy, France, and later Germany all saw a rebirth of all the old fascist movements, not just the Nazis. The movement started in Europe as opposition to the neo-Nazi and neo-fascists there. The rise of similar groups and the KKK here prompted the European model of opposition to come about here.

The principle is the same as Rudy Guilianni's 'broken windows' principle; stop gangsters before they have the chance to become powerful by going after them when they break a window. Allowing them to get away with little things only encourages gangsters to do bigger things.
That's what the NYC cops did when Rudy was the Mayor, and the crime rate plunged after NYC was one of the most violent cities in the U.S. for decades.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:25 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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And KKK and the like have not crossed that line? Please! They have like a multi-century history of violence against blacks. Doubt you care about that?..
If course I care about that. But you can only hold them accountable for what they are doing now. I hate the KKK every bit as much as you do, but they have been reduced to a bunch of inbred losers who do nothing more than spew hate. People are allowed to spew hate though. The Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that this is free speech.

Planning and executing violent acts is another story, and that is what Antifa has been doing. That is not free speech.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: US
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I agree. What is it about extreme Democrats and their organizations like the KKK of many years ago and Antifa today that they have to go around in packs like animals harming others they don't agree with. I don't get it.

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And KKK and the like have not crossed that line? Please! They have like a multi-century history of violence against blacks. Doubt you care about that?..
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