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I wonder how much you'd scream when you are told you have to wait months or a year for a hip replacement OR are told you're just to damned old to fix anymore, here's some pills. THAT is what happens in those countries you keep pointing to as better than us...
Your 65-70 year old mother has cancer? Oh well, here's some morphine to make you comfortable as we cannot "waste" any resources that can be used on younger people who have lots of (taxable) years ahead of them.
Yeah, deny it or laugh all you want.... It happens.
It's just fine when it's "old" people except EVERYONE will be an old person (whatever that age will be at the time).
Over many years I have heard many stories about what people in other countries have experienced in these regards, also what tourists have experienced, and although we can always pick the stories that fit whatever narrative we want to promote, we don't really see a cry for health care changes in other countries that suggest they are as dissatisfied as you want to suggest. Not in the countries that seem to be doing better in these regards anyway...
There are also lots of statistics and studies that compare how much better or worse America is getting for it's medical bang-for-the-buck compared to other countries and much along those lines is not a pretty picture for America in general. There seem to be a lot of indications that we have lots of room for improvement in any case, and no doubt the free market is not the panacea that lots of conservatives wish to believe. I sure wish it was, but if it were, most of the modern advanced world would not have had to come up with alternatives to a simple free market driven system like it has.
I would post some of those studies and statistics, but we all know how well that works when really what matters most is whether you believe in a national health care approach or not. Even if more people die or can't get coverage, if you don't agree health care is a right and that we should all pool our resources to make health care accessible for all our citizens, then the rest simply doesn't matter.
It may take another decade but eventually the U.S. will embrace a single payer health system. It's unfortunate it cannot happen sooner.
Hopefully you did some research about countries who have implemented single payer. Look beyond the 'health care for all', but check the quality and availability of care. Not sure how anyone is looking forward to this.
Hopefully you did some research about countries who have implemented single payer. Look beyond the 'health care for all', but check the quality and availability of care. Not sure how anyone is looking forward to this.
I live two hours from Canada. They LOVE their health care.
Hopefully you did some research about countries who have implemented single payer. Look beyond the 'health care for all', but check the quality and availability of care. Not sure how anyone is looking forward to this.
Friends in these countries love their healthcare. It took me longer to get into chemo because my insurance fought every step of the way - resulting in me receiving a chemotherapy regime with poorer prognosis - than any of my chemo cohort on a support forum in other countries. I also had more debt and less support to get healthy (like being able to take zero time off of work). And I went to one of the top 5 cancer centers in the country!
And don't even get me started on maternity and newborn care in the US versus in Canada, the UK, Israel, and Europe.
Hopefully you did some research about countries who have implemented single payer. Look beyond the 'health care for all', but check the quality and availability of care. Not sure how anyone is looking forward to this.
States that didn't participate in Obamacare previously CHOSE not to. Blue states that are contributing more federal dollars than they receive need to challenge that. Red states that are taking more federal dollars than they contribute need to pay more. Either everyone pays a similar percentage or this is going to get increasingly combative. States that are more obese are going to cost more; apparently freedom means eating a lot of fat and sugar. All states should have the right to cap enrollment of newcomers to prevent red state refugees moving to blue states for the benefits. Red states will likely fee the same way so all states should be able to have a lengthy qualification period.
it is obvious that Putin, Murdoch, Rove, Mercer, Koch are winning. They have our nation more divided than ever.
funny to see conservatives doing exactly what PUTIN had hoped by purposely dividing the nation. It is as if Putin is POTUS! He must be thrilled to see cons trying to such a divisive bill. it is just what he hoped for when he backed Trump.
it is obvious that Putin, Murdoch, Rove, Mercer, Koch are winning. They have our nation more divided than ever.
funny to see conservatives doing exactly what PUTIN had hoped by purposely dividing the nation. It is as if Putin is POTUS! He must be thrilled to see cons trying to such a divisive bill. it is just what he hoped for when he backed Trump.
Agreed, Putin will smile even brighter when some sick person that stands to lose their insurance guns down a few Republican senators or congressmen. He wants to sow chaos and put Americans at each other's throats so he can march into Riga, Kiev, Minsk, and Vilnius unopposed.
I live two hours from Canada. They LOVE their health care.
Canadian health-care outcomes are relatively poor, and yet the state-controlled system is beloved by Canadians. A 2012 poll by Leger Marketing in Montreal found that 94 percent of Canadians consider universal health care “an important source of collective pride.” The reasons for this are complicated.
First, there is a well-propagated, pernicious myth that Canadians are pioneers in health care, and that access to care is a basic human right. The universality of the system has become a key part of Canada’s national identity, thanks in no small part to propagandists who ignore the widespread suffering wrought by the CHA in order to paint the country as some sort of socialist utopia.
Second, the system’s costs are hidden. Many Canadians — and many progressives abroad — like to think that health care is “free” in Canada, when in fact, Canadian taxpayers pay, on average, $10,500 per year for all their health-care needs. Canadians simply have no concept of how much the services they consume cost, since the CHA prohibits providers from ever showing patients a bill.
Finally, there is the fact that Canada’s single-payer system is made possible only by an accident of geography: It is propped up by the U.S. health-care industry next door, which provides a parallel private system for very sick and very rich Canadians while acting as the driving force for global medical innovation. Ultimately, the antidote for Canada’s poor health outcomes and long wait times has been for Canadians to seek care elsewhere. Don’t take my word for it. A few years ago, Dr. Martin Samuels, the founder of the neurology department at Harvard’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital, wrote in Forbes about his experiences as a visiting professor in Canada: The reason the Canadian health-care system works as well as it does (and that is not by any means optimal) is because 90 percent of the population is within driving distance of the United States where the privately insured can be Seattled, Minneapolised, Mayoed, Detroited, Chicagoed, Clevelanded, and Buffaloed, thus relieving the pressure by the rich and influential to change a system that works well enough for the other people but not for them, especially when they are worried or in pain.
In the United States, there is no analogous safety valve, so the influential simply demand a different level of care and receive it. In other words, Canada’s rigid state monopoly on health insurance works only because Canadians secretly have a private alternative: America’s market-based system. It isn’t just “rich and influential” Canadians who seek treatment in the U.S., either. In a recent government document obtained by the Toronto Star, five stem-cell-transplant directors laid out the “crisis” in Ontario, revealing that “the health ministry approved more than $100 million in spending recently to redirect hundreds of patients who will probably die waiting for transplants in Ontario to hospitals in Cleveland, Buffalo, and Detroit.”
Likewise, a recent report from the Fraser Institute, Canada’s leading public-policy think tank, estimated that more than 52,000 Canadians received medical treatment outside of Canada in 2014. Canadians might like their single-payer health-care system in theory, but in practice, large numbers of them are going elsewhere for care.
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