Trump Cutting Back on National Monuments (independence, claim, Florida, declaration)
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Get your facts straight. The land was combined BLM and USFS land, all federal. Federal land does NOT belong to Utah citizens; it belongs to the citizens of the United States. If the Feds are coerced into selling the land, guess what the state does? They sell it to private interests and up go the gates. The feds can operate at a deficit; not the states. Due to Mormonism, Utah’s schools are bursting. State government wants fed land so they can sell it for schools. It’s already happened in two large recent sales.
And gated private property means no access unless you get permission and/or pay for the privilege. If you hunt, fish, hike, bike, 4 wheel, photograph, you will be sol.
ETA: some national monuments allow hunting and fishing.
Shows what you know about Mormonism and Utah. Yes, Mormons are known for having large families, just as Catholics are. The reality, these days, is that there are very few Mormon families having more than two or three kids. The increase in the school population is due to immigration, from both domestic and international people. The Provo/Orem area (that used to be two separate towns) is one of the fastest growing in all the United States. Not even Mormons can reproduce that fast.
If they remove the designation it will be open for mining and other exploration, yet Zeinke claims he is giving it back to the people. Who exactly are these "people", oil and mining companies because the new definition indicates companies are people.
How much mining has been done in the Bears Ears area in all the years before it was made a national monument in December 2016?
Get your facts straight. The land was combined BLM and USFS land, all federal. Federal land does NOT belong to Utah citizens; it belongs to the citizens of the United States. If the Feds are coerced into selling the land, guess what the state does? They sell it to private interests and up go the gates. The feds can operate at a deficit; not the states. Due to Mormonism, Utah’s schools are bursting. State government wants fed land so they can sell it for schools. It’s already happened in two large recent sales.
And gated private property means no access unless you get permission and/or pay for the privilege. If you hunt, fish, hike, bike, 4 wheel, photograph, you will be sol.
ETA: some national monuments allow hunting and fishing.
BLM close gates and access all the time. Right now there is a no shooting ban and when there is even a % chance of rain they slam the gates shut.
Shows what you know about Mormonism and Utah. Yes, Mormons are known for having large families, just as Catholics are. The reality, these days, is that there are very few Mormon families having more than two or three kids. The increase in the school population is due to immigration, from both domestic and international people. The Provo/Orem area (that used to be two separate towns) is one of the fastest growing in all the United States. Not even Mormons can reproduce that fast.
Still two separate cities They refer to them together to name a metropolitan area. Also, at least some do homeschool here, which would lessen some of the school need in that sense. I don’t have many kids and it does seem to be waning. When I was growing up (not here) I knew a family who had 14?15? Kids. I forget how many. Some still have a lot of kids, but it seems more on the level of 6 or so.
It looks like Trump's Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is proposing downsizing and reducing restrictions including allowing ranching and logging in:
Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante in Utah
Cascade-Siskiyou in Oregon
Gold Butte in Nevada
Katahdin in Maine
Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks and Rio Grande Del Norte in New Mexico
Allowing commercial fishing in:
Northeast Canyons and Seamount off the Massachusetts coast and
Rose Atoll and the Pacific Remote Islands
If these states don't care what Trump is doing to them, so be it but every day Trump continues to try to wreck this country. Will national parks be next? A government funded Trump hotel in Yellowstone?
Excuse me, but the Federal Government had no business telling these States what to do with their land it the first place. The Federal Government was not given any authority over State lands by the Constitution. If you think it was, please show me where?
Now tell me again who is "wrecking" this country? It isn't Donald Trump!
Excuse me, but the Federal Government had no business telling these States what to do with their land it the first place. The Federal Government was not given any authority over State lands by the Constitution. If you think it was, please show me where?
Certainly, the exact line of the US Constitution is Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2. Also known as the "Property Clause".
Quote:
The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
You will find zero credible scholars who believe the Constitution does not allow the federal government to own land. They may disagree on the scope of what the federal government's powers are (ex: Are they just like a private landowner or does it being federal property give the feds their own police power over it?), but the even the strictest interpretations make the federal government owning and holding land legal.
I'm sure none of that will convince you, of course.
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They refer to them together to name a metropolitan area. Also, at least some do homeschool here, which would lessen some of the school need in that sense. I don’t have many kids and it does seem to be waning. When I was growing up (not here) I knew a family who had 14?15? Kids. I forget how many. Some still have a lot of kids, but it seems more on the level of 6 or so.
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