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It was wrong when they did it and it's wrong when anybody does it.
It's not wrong to put my blackness before being American. The problem is whites in America felt their whiteness could be lorded over other races and they acted on it. And it's easy to try and tell blacks not to care about their blackness when you live in a society where white is the default.
When everyone is treated equally as "Americans" then we will stop it but until then, it will be my Blackness before American
This approach seems counter-productive and doomed to failure. Individualism does not spring from collectivism.
I try to be what I want to see in the world.
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It's not wrong to put my blackness before being American.
I personally think our shared humanness should be prime.
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And it's easy to try and tell blacks not to care about their blackness when you live in a society where white is the default.
The default? What does that mean, in actual practical terms? If I endeavour to treat people as individuals, and expect the same of others, is this not allowed because one ethnic group is more prevalent than another ethnic group?
This approach seems counter-productive and doomed to failure. Individualism does not spring from collectivism.
I try to be what I want to see in the world. I personally think our shared humanness should be prime. The default? What does that mean, in actual practical terms? If I endeavour to treat people as individuals, and expect the same of others, is this not allowed because one ethnic group is more prevalent than another ethnic group?
On the bolded...this is you not having a legit response so you act like you don't know what it means. Then you go into go into some babble about how people are treated. Do you know how insulting it is to tell people, "hey give up your ethnicity or race then I might see you as an equal". You're an adult, you should be able to treat people equally regardless of their race. This is what people talk about with "colorblindness". "I don't see race"...it's childish and insulting. Some people actually care about their race, their heritage, their ethnicity, and that's perfectly okay. And usually this is only done when blacks are proud of themselves. Mainly because deep down people want blacks to "let it go" as it relates to the default. That's REALLY what white guilt is.
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It's not wrong to put my blackness before being American. The problem is whites in America felt their whiteness could be lorded over other races and they acted on it. And it's easy to try and tell blacks not to care about their blackness when you live in a society where white is the default.
"whitness" IE: people in position of power because they actually did have power, was lorded over others because it could be, including other people who were white. But then, listen carefully, many of those people with power decided racism wasn't the way to be and turned from it and spent decades working to bring about equality for those who didn't have power. It's still happening today to an almost embarrassing degree by white saviors types, but black people are no longer helpless and have their own power and voices. And this is what Donald Glover chose to do with his and some are rightly confused by it all.
On the bolded...this is you not having a legit response so you act like you don't know what it means.
Nothing about 'what it means' in practical terms -- noted.
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Then you go into go into some babble about how people are treated.
I want to treat people as *individuals* and be treated as one as well. You don't think I should be able to do that, because one ethnic group is more prevalent than another ethnic group.
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Do you know how insulting it is to tell people, "hey give up your ethnicity or race then I might see you as an equal".
It's "hey, let's treat each other as individual humans first and foremost, not as examples of some collective."
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You're an adult, you should be able to treat people equally regardless of their race.
I strive to see and treat folks in my monkeysphere as well as those I meet as unique individuals.
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This is what people talk about with "colorblindness". "I don't see race"...it's childish and insulting.
Oh, I know, it's 2017, so being judged on the content of your character is childish and insulting.
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Some people actually care about their race, their heritage, their ethnicity, and that's perfectly okay.
I would say that is self-evident (though as an aside it's also true I think seldom about my own -- third-gen danish-american). It is when these aspects are used as segregatory tools, wedges, barriers, or ways to assume undue authority and moral authority, that's when I feel we're moving backwards.
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And usually this is only done when blacks are proud of themselves. Mainly because deep down people want blacks to "let it go" as it relates to the default. That's REALLY what white guilt is.
Glad you could explain it all.
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