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Old 09-19-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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He wasn't shot in the head. Posters here are making up stuff. Notice they posted no link to back up their claim.

Good point..I can find nothing that says head shot....other than here...
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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You seem like such a great person... referring to a fellow human as an "it". Is it that hard to have even the slightest bit of compassion for someone who was obviously suffering?


And after another poster claimed in another thread that transgender people are no longer oppressed.
The kid WANTED to be called something other then he or she. Do your homework. Even his Pride community referred to Scout as "they".
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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NY_refugee.

Your post is too long to address on my phone. I'll get back to it tonight.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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You seem like such a great person... referring to a fellow human as an "it". Is it that hard to have even the slightest bit of compassion for someone who was obviously suffering?


And after another poster claimed in another thread that transgender people are no longer oppressed.
There is no right pronoun to describe that student. Hesheit is one I've seen. "They" is plural and incorrect when referring to a single person.

"It" is a neutral pronoun usually referencing an object but it can also reference a person whose sex is unknown.

We don't have a pronoun in society today to reference a non sexed person.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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There is no right pronoun to describe that student. Hesheit is one I've seen. "They" is plural and incorrect when referring to a single person.

"It" is a neutral pronoun usually referencing an object but it can also reference a person whose sex is unknown.

We don't have a pronoun in society today to reference a non sexed person.
I'll stick with he and she. If I get it wrong, correct me.

I'm not calling anybody it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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He wasn't shot in the head. Posters here are making up stuff. Notice they posted no link to back up their claim.
I thought that head shot comment was weird. You can see the person rolling around and hear squealing after the shot. Doubtful that a person shot in the head would do that.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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No law enforcement school EVER teaches shooting "non-lethal" shots. The rule is if the weapon leaves the holster, a minimum of two shots should be fired at center of mass or largest target area possible. Period. If you aren't trying to use lethal force, the weapon shouldn't leave the holster.

Here's the problem (directed at everyone) - police are allowed to come in all shapes and sizes now, they are poorly trained in martial combat and not required to be proficient (i.e. every quarter they attend a one day "seminar" and that is usually sufficient) and using physical force like putting someone on the ground in submission until the scenario gets sorted out is not just frowned upon, but gets cops fired.

So they aren't allowed to use non-lethal force (baton, pepper spray, hand-to-hand combat), they aren't well trained in doing so even if they are allowed, and physical readiness is much less stringent in many police departments now. You add it all up and you have either "everything is fine, let's all play nice" or "bang, you're dead" and there is no in between.

I was law enforcement for years, and in all that time my hand was near my holster once, and I put a total of maybe half a dozen people on the ground for either arrest or just submission until the scenario got sorted. In every occasion, my every move was analyzed, critiqued, etc in an effort to make sure everything was being done properly. On my own team, maybe 20% had any business being face to face with drunks, drug addicts, bad guys, etc. The more timid ones would always, almost every time something got scary, have their hand on that weapon, ready to pull and fire.

But I can assure you that had I, at any time, pulled my weapon and aimed "for their foot"...I would have lost my badge, been cited for unauthorized use of deadly force, and possibly faced jail. Shooting to wound only happens in movies. In the real world, double tapping is meant to kill, period.
Thank you for your service. The basic fact you emphasize is the same for a concealed carrying civilian-using a gun is only legal to stop an immediate threat of death or great bodily harm. If you can actually "shoot to wound"-you aren't in an immediate threat. If you have time to fire a "warning shot", same thing. And in both cases you would and should be prosecuted. You shoot to stop the threat.

Here's another question for you. Based on your experience-how much is our use of our police force as a "social engineering experiment" hurting their effectiveness to use non-lethal force to stop a threat? When I was young-nearly all cops were big guys, physically capable of taking down a good number of threats physically. Seem as if standards have been revised to make a position in the force viable for most anyone in the normal range of physical capability. I see a lot more people that I'd characterize as smaller, weaker and less physically intimidating on the forces these days. Do you see that as putting more officers in harms way that are now required to use lethal force, rather than physical confrontation to take down an offender?
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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I'll stick with he and she. If I get it wrong, correct me.

I'm not calling anybody it.
They were intersex. Neither he nor she is accurate.

And I can't for the life of me understand why people insist on getting on their moral high horse over the chosen pronoun of someone whose mental break resulted in their death. What on earth is wrong with you people?
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They were intersex. Neither he nor she is accurate.
There is no such thing, barring excedingly rare genetic anomalies.

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And I can't for the life of me understand why people insist on getting on their moral high horse over the chosen pronoun of someone whose mental break resulted in their death. What on earth is wrong with you people?
He was mentally ill. Those with gender confusion/dysphoria have a much higher rate of mental illness. Documented. Conclude from that what you will.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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They were intersex. Neither he nor she is accurate.

And I can't for the life of me understand why people insist on getting on their moral high horse over the chosen pronoun of someone whose mental break resulted in their death. What on earth is wrong with you people?
I'm still going with how a person presents.

If a person was born male and identifies and presents as female, I will call her her. If born a female and presents as a male, I'll go with he.

If you want me to call you it, present as a fire hydrant.
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