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Old 09-20-2017, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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I wonder what Dennis Rodman, the Trump supporter, has to say about this.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I wonder what Dennis Rodman, the Trump supporter, has to say about this.
I imagine he must feel rather torn right now, caught between Rocket Man and 45.
Wonder who will have the greater influence.

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Old 09-20-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I did not call her a traitor, first of all.

I say she wants to be the center of the attention. That is all.

When people call her an anti war hero, I will say she is a north Vietnamese mouthpiece because that is all she is. If you (the general term) deny this, you are just ignorant. That is all. no more no less.

She is not like Ali, let's all be honest about it. "She has apologized" has nothing to do with the point I was making. I personally don't believe she really needs other people to forgive her. It is irrelevant. The fact that she has a wonderful life proves the point that no one has obsessed with her and she has never been held accountable for her action. She is irrelevant.

How so?

When was the last time you saw her in public prior to this appearance?

I'm detecting a bit of transference here.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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How so?

When was the last time you saw her in public prior to this appearance?

I'm detecting a bit of transference here.

She needs to stay in her hole, and practice the Atlanta Braves, "Tomahawk Chop" as penance, but she actually did that quite well with Ted.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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How so?

When was the last time you saw her in public prior to this appearance?

I'm detecting a bit of transference here.
Last paragraph, same can be said about you.

Don't make it personal because it is petty.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Defenders of US actions in Vietnam can blame, invent, and excusify all they want, but the colossal errors in their thinking are a shame that will brand them forever.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Morale was killed by the communists over here in our colleges.
GOOD!! They woke the American people up to what their own government wasn't telling them. How anyone thought that sending our best and brightest young men to die 8,000 miles away in Asia was in our best interest is beyond me.

I think it's very timely that PBS is showing a documentary on Vietnam, what with all the talk of North Korea. I look forward to how they address the protest movement. If David Harris is still alive, I hope they interviewed him, as he was one of the most vocal protestors against the Draft.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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GOOD!! They woke the American people up to what their own government wasn't telling them. How anyone thought that sending our best and brightest young men to die 8,000 miles away in Asia was in our best interest is beyond me.

I think it's very timely that PBS is showing a documentary on Vietnam, what with all the talk of North Korea. I look forward to how they address the protest movement. If David Harris is still alive, I hope they interviewed him, as he was one of the most vocal protestors against the Draft.



funny, the government didn't tell us everything during WW2, the government censored the press during WW 2 something it didn't do in Vietnam. Imagine if the press was freely to report everything during WW2 and we had the liberal hippies and the left during that time.


You realize the WE WON the COLD WAR, right? Vietnam was just 1 part of the chess board in the war.

We defeated the Soviet Union and open relations with Red China without going to a global nuclear war which for sure more than 50,000 Americans would have died and millions of people around the world.


You know we could have turn North Vietnam in a parking lot but didn't because we didn't want to escalate the war with Red China and the Soviet Union who were backing and supplying North Vietnam. We were playing defense in Vietnam.


Again, this was a chess game that took 50 years to win and avoided a global nuclear war.....the Soviet Union no longer exists and Red China is our trading partner........that only happened because we were willing to engage and fight them anywhere on the planet.


Vietnam was a moving part of many other moving parts during the Cold War.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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funny, the government didn't tell us everything during WW2, the government censored the press during WW 2 something it didn't do in Vietnam. Imagine if the press was freely to report everything during WW2 and we had the liberal hippies and the left during that time.


You realize the WE WON the COLD WAR, right? Vietnam was just 1 part of the chess board in the war.

We defeated the Soviet Union and open relations with Red China without going to a global nuclear war which for sure more than 50,000 Americans would have died and millions of people around the world.


You know we could have turn North Vietnam in a parking lot but didn't because we didn't want to escalate the war with Red China and the Soviet Union who were backing and supplying North Vietnam. We were playing defense in Vietnam.


Again, this was a chess game that took 50 years to win and avoided a global nuclear war.....the Soviet Union no longer exists and Red China is our trading partner........that only happened because we were willing to engage and fight them anywhere on the planet.


Vietnam was a moving part of many other moving parts during the Cold War.

Spot on. Thank you for articulating this. I am tired of hearing "we lost the war in Vietnam". We won every military engagement we were in, but the politicians of course effed up the exist scenario. They also put in place really stupid ROE's that got a lot of our guys killed needlessly.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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A loss is a loss. Face it.
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