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Old 09-26-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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I don't see the fallacy, there is an enormous difference between research supported by companies vs government. Evidently when it came to tobacco the government research was correct, not much different with the oil companies spending millions to place doubt in people's minds.

Man can most definitely change the climate, you can either believe that co2 causes warming or develop an alternate theory.
An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.
Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true.

There are alternative theories, haven't you read any? The one I happened to believe is that it is the sun that mainly drives the climate. But other cosmic bodies also have an effect on the climate, which in turn have effects on volcanoes and oceans. The least effect comes from men, this is insignificant against the magnificent powers of nature.

 
Old 09-26-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ec/3f/82/e...2f85518327.jpg

This graph explain the whole thing better. CO2 accounts for only 3.4% of all the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Out of this 3.4%, 97% is produced by nature, and the rest from man. Overall man is responsible for 0.12%. And even this is the responsibility of a few big industrial players, NOT THE AVERAGE PERSON.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The natural carbon cycle adds and removes CO2 and keep a balance, but cannot deal with all of the extra CO2 that man contributes. That is why atmospheric CO2 has been increasing....CO2 levels were at app. 280 ppm until the industrial age, then began to climb until today they are now over 407 ppm. This is not a coincidence.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/images/icecore.png

https://www.co2.earth/
 
Old 09-26-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The natural carbon cycle adds and removes CO2 and keep a balance, but cannot deal with all of the extra CO2 that man contributes. That is why atmospheric CO2 has been increasing....CO2 levels were at app. 280 ppm until the industrial age, then began to climb until today they are now over 407 ppm. This is not a coincidence.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/images/icecore.png

https://www.co2.earth/
and there is NOTHING wrong with CO2 increasing.....the optimum level from a biologists and botanists standpoint is around 1000 ppm...and those levels are not dangerous to humans (co2 doesn't become toxic to humans until the amount of about 50,000ppm)..... the co2 increasing is GOOD for our plantlife,,,the O2 producer of this planet
 
Old 09-26-2017, 05:57 PM
 
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I wonder if you even understand what that means.
from 280 to 407 ppm, wow 68% increase, that is why the temperature is getting high. WRONG.
ppm=parts per million.
280/1000000=0.028, 407/1000000=0.047. So CO2 increased from 0.028 to 0.047. That is equivalent to 1.9% increase in co2, most of which is due to nature.
It is really easy to twist the numbers to try to prove a biased believe.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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and there is NOTHING wrong with CO2 increasing.....the optimum level from a biologists and botanists standpoint is around 1000 ppm...and those levels are not dangerous to humans (co2 doesn't become toxic to humans until the amount of about 50,000ppm)..... the co2 increasing is GOOD for our plantlife,,,the O2 producer of this planet
Nobody is talking about CO2 being dangerous to breathe, but 1,000 ppm will bring an average global temperature of 30C, which will be dangerous to all life on this planet, including plants.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I wonder if you even understand what that means.
from 280 to 407 ppm, wow 68% increase, that is why the temperature is getting high. WRONG.
ppm=parts per million.
280/1000000=0.028, 407/1000000=0.047. So CO2 increased from 0.028 to 0.047. That is equivalent to 1.9% increase in co2, most of which is due to nature.
It is really easy to twist the numbers to try to prove a biased believe.
Nobody is twisting numbers, and my belief is not biased. I just accept the science on this subject.

The natural carbon cycle cannot handle all of the CO2 emitted by humans.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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Nobody is twisting numbers, and my belief is not biased. I just accept the science on this subject.

The natural carbon cycle cannot handle all of the CO2 emitted by humans.
Using relative numbers like part per millions is misleading and doesn't reflect the real increase in co2 like I just showed with simple math.
I am not talking about your believe, I know most people will blindly accept whatever scientists say. I am talking about the scientists themselves who would use different tactics to try to convinced people they are right. Medical studies do the same same thing, using relative rates to mislead the public, It is junk science trying to support their political correct views.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 07:21 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ec/3f/82/e...2f85518327.jpg

This graph explain the whole thing better. CO2 accounts for only 3.4% of all the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Out of this 3.4%, 97% is produced by nature, and the rest from man. Overall man is responsible for 0.12%. And even this is the responsibility of a few big industrial players, NOT THE AVERAGE PERSON.
Your graph doesn't have a date.

You're only looking at CO2 when man is emitting other greenhouse gases that affect climate as your graph doesn't break down how much methane, nox, sox, etc is man made.

But just looking at CO2, would you ingest 0.12% of your body weight in arsenic or cyanide? That is if your main point is that man made CO2 is a small percentage and therefore can't be significant.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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Your graph doesn't have a date.

You're only looking at CO2 when man is emitting other greenhouse gases that affect climate as your graph doesn't break down how much methane, nox, sox, etc is man made.

But just looking at CO2, would you ingest 0.12% of your body weight in arsenic or cyanide? That is if your main point is that man made CO2 is a small percentage and therefore can't be significant.
Most methane comes from volcanos and cattle, not humans.
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