News, Right to bear arms at heart of high court case. (soldier, guns)

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by flagellum

You're not making sense (deja vu).

Of course you believe this. Simply because you are already convinced that I can only be foolish since my interpretation of the philosophy of Aikido differs from your 'American(?)' interpretation of Aikido.

The whole philosophy of Aikido is based on using the opponent’s energy against him. If the opponent uses no force, expends no energy, the student of Aikido cannot use Aikido to attack him.
Aikido is the purest form of defensive martial arts where being offensive never is the best defence.

A true student of Aikido (or any martial philosophy) knows that defeating your opponent is an illusion; the true student of martial arts knows that you can only defeat yourself.

[Tricky D]

A true student of Aikido (or any martial philosophy) knows that defeating your opponent is an illusion; the true student of martial arts knows that you can only defeat yourself.

Maybe this knowledge is the cause why a small country like the Netherlands* dominates the K1 Championships, ( which also might conveniently explain why Dutch people don't need guns to be armed.)

K-1 World Grand Prix Champions
Year Champion - Runner-up
1993 Branko Cikatić - Ernesto Hoost *
1994 Peter Aerts* - Masaaki Satake
1995 Peter Aerts* - Jerome Le Banner
1996 Andy Hug - Mike Bernardo
1997 Ernesto Hoost* - Andy Hug
1998 Peter Aerts* - Andy Hug
1999 Ernesto Hoost* - Mirko Cro Cop
2000 Ernesto Hoost* - Ray Sefo
2001 Mark Hunt - Francisco Filho
2002 Ernesto Hoost* - Jerome Le Banner
2003 Remy Bonjasky* - Musashi
2004 Remy Bonjasky* - Musashi
2005 Semmy Schilt* - Glaube Feitosa
2006 Semmy Schilt* - Peter Aerts*
2007 Semmy Schilt* - Peter Aerts*


K-1 World MAX Grand Prix Champions
Year Champion - Runner-up
2002 Albert Kraus* - Kaolan Kaovichit
2003 Masato - Albert Kraus*
2004 Buakaw Por.Pramuk - Masato
2005 Andy Souwer* - Buakaw Por.Pramuk
2006 Buakaw Por.Pramuk - Andy Souwer*
2007 Andy Souwer* - Masato


K-1 Super Heavyweight Title Champions
Date Champion - Event
03/03/2007 Semmy Schilt* - K-1 World GP 2007 in Yokohama


K-1 Heavyweight Title Champions
Date Champion - Event
04/28/2007 Badr Hari* - K-1 World GP 2007 in Hawaii

Source: K-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[flagellum]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Maybe this knowledge is the cause why a small country like the Netherlands* dominates the K1 Championships, ( which also might conveniently explain why Dutch people don't need guns to be armed.)

Were the Dutch also unarmed in May 1940, when the country fell to the Germans in one week?


Edit.
Btw, armed Americans are partly responsible for the liberation of Netherlands in WW2. Just something to think about.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by flagellum

Were the Dutch also unarmed in May 1940, when the country fell to the Germans in one week?

Those Dutch truly were pacifists, because they still lived in the delusion that Holland could be neutral (like Switzerland).
Nowadays the modern Dutch are more pragmatic and realistic when it comes to fascism or other totalitarian regimes.
For example: nowadays we do not support Israel unconditionally anymore; whenever we see that the Israeli or Palestinian government uses the same Nazi tactics the Germans used in WWII we stop our financial support (but we still might continue humanitarian aid).

We are even trying to accomplish that our Dutch government will officially condemn Iraq’s chemical attacks on the Kurds in the 1980s as genocide.
If the Dutch government accepts this proposal it will be easy for the UN to also condemn those attacks as an act of genocide so the Kurds can have more and better specialised aid.

[GregW]

When people are shooting at you there is no time for discussions like this. martial arts are wonderful and I respect the artists.

I am a fat old man and would greatly prefer to have a gun if I am attacked. I know how and when to use a gun and they have the great advantage of keeping your attacker further away. The type of gun is way less important than having one ready for use where ever you are.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by GregW

I am a fat old man and would greatly prefer to have a gun if I am attacked.

Naturally I agree but my main objection is that guns kill too easily. In order to kill a person in hand to hand combat you truly have to know what you are doing, but If you want to kill with a gun ignorance, unfortunately, is enough.
What I mean to say is that guns kill too easy.
I fear that if everyone uses guns the skill of drawing a gun quickly becomes the decider. That people will draw their gun over the silliest of arguments since only the quick survive when everyone carries a gun.
Combine this attitude with automatic weapons and guns become a greater problem now than they were during the 'wild west'. In the past aiming during combat was more important than drawing quick, but automatic weapons made the skill of aiming obsolete.
Nowadays the quantity of bullets beats the quality of the shooter.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by flagellum

Btw, armed Americans are partly responsible for the liberation of Netherlands in WW2. Just something to think about.

I never suggested otherwise, but Americans tend to forget that the allied forces could not have won the war without the help of the many resistence forces in the occupied territories.
The allied forces would not have had the key to decipher the German enigma code, or have the atom bomb.

[arctichomesteader]

Well here's an example of why people should have guns, a Californian woman was shot to death by a person breaking into her house while on the phone with the police:

Calif. woman slain while calling 911 - Yahoo! News (broken link)

The only thing that would have saved her in this situation was a gun and knowing how to use it.

[Frank_Carbonni]

How come so many gun opponents always talk about how easy it is to use a gun? How many of these people even know how to use a gun?

If were to hand Tricky a Glock 17 and asked him to load it or clean it or even to show me the safety, could he? How would his accuracy be at shooting at 20 yards?

Originally Posted by Tricky D

I never suggested otherwise, but Americans tend to forget that the allied forces could not have won the war without the help of the many resistence forces in the occupied territories.
The allied forces would not have had the key to decipher the German enigma code, or have the atom bomb.

How well did mixed martial arts work against Panzers?

Maybe, just maybe, if the Dutch actually had some guns, you would have faired much better against the Nazis, instead of continuing the fine Dutch tradition of surrender and collaboration. Who knows, when the Nazis started to pull back, you may have liberated your country, instead of waiting for the Canadians and Americans to bail you out.

[flagellum]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by flagellum I never suggested otherwise, but Americans tend to forget that the allied forces could not have won the war without the help of the many resistence forces in the occupied territories.
The allied forces would not have had the key to decipher the German enigma code, or have the atom bomb.

[Yoda]The denial is strong with this one.[/Yoda]

Astonishing what one can achieve just by hiding in the cellars, attics, and woods. And ain't it so much more convenient to let others do the fighting for you.

Edit.
Would you please care to explain how you link the "resistance" forces in the occupied territories to the development of the A-bomb?