Mueller probe into 2016 election goes back 11 years.... (independent, March, chairman)
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This is a convenient argument, unless you believe in justice under the law.
If you believe in justice under the law, then you should have no problem in letting Mueller's investigation proceed to completion.
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Originally Posted by Mason3000
On that note, the left was screaming mad that Sessions couldn't impartially investigate Russian collusion. An issue literally created by paying the nebulous Fusion GPS & foreign intelligence agents to create dirt on Trump to be used as the basis to launch an investigation against him.
The FBI wouldn't investigate something on an illegitimate basis. You don't know better than the FBI. Has it occurred to you that the intelligence agencies found dirt rather than created it? ALL of our intelligence agencies agreed that Russians tried to influence our election to elect Trump. The FBI determined there was an evidentiary basis to launch an investigation into collusion between Russia and the Trump. Period, end of story.
And OF COURSE Sessions couldn't be impartial, he campaigned for Trump and at the time was a subject of the investigation.
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Yet...you see nothing wrong with Comey intentionally leaking classified info (whether it was classified is debatable)in order to get his best friend Robert Mueller appointed, (He didn't do it to get Mueller appointed, he did it to get a special counsel appointed, and there is no proof that they are "best friends". Comey used to work for Mueller.) who in turn in investigating the obstruction of justice charges being launched by his best friend Comey (again, there is no proof they are "best friends").
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How about this....let's re-open the Hillary Clinton email investigation & we'll have Sessions, Trey Gowdy, a couple attorneys from the Koch Foundation and a couple of Trump's personal attorneys investigate her? Does that sound like an investigation or a hit team? That's exactly what is happening to Trump, with Mueller padding his team full of Hillary donors and even Hillary's actual attorney. It's like having the fox investigate the hen house and everyone knows it.
Actually, no one knows it, because it's a ridiculous notion. Political affiliation should have no determination on who Mueller selects to assist him in an investigation. In fact, we would all be ok with Sessions and Gowdy investigating Hillary. Investigate away! I bet it works out as well as Benghazi did for you.
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I know you just want to "win" and you want to "get" Trump, but think like a grown up. If you support these blatant travesties of justice, you are complicit in the end of equal justice under the law & this becoming the new norm.
Sounds like you're projecting. What would be a blatent travesty of justice would be killing this investigation. It sounds as if you're the one who will only accept one result of this investigation - the clearing of Trump's name, or the killing of the investigation altogether so you never have to find out.
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First off, even liberals know it's highly unlikely Trump can be indicted as president.
Second liberals also know that the chances of Trump getting impeached are slim to none with a republican controlled house, senate and executive office.
Slim just left town on that one.
What Mueller can and probably will show is that the Trump campaign were deep in the muck of Russian collusion and worked in tandem with them to swing the election in Trumps favor.
Biggest thing that hurt Clinton was her illegal server. That prompted the original investigation. And her sidekick Huma's husband being under investigation prompted the discover of a new unknown laptop and the 2nd announcement by Comey. Did Russia use mind control to get Clinton to move the server? Hmmm.
They are going 11 years back on Manafort because they need something to show this whole exercise was worthwhile before they close up shop. That is pretty clear.
Who said nothing was found? No findings have been reported yet. It takes time to unravel things when everyone interviewed changes their story when their lies are reported in the press and that person suddenly remembers meetings, then suddenly remember who and how many people were in the meetings, then suddenly remember what was not and then was discussed.
Can't you see how those involved are the ones prolonging this investigation?
They are assuming nothing has been found because nobody is leaking.
Yes, the delaying and deception tactics of Trump's lawyers are not exactly helping to move things along.
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Mueller has a ton of credibility. He wouldn't be where he is now without it.
I take it that you agree that there were WMD's and a reason to go into war with Iraq? Which happened, in part, based on Muellers investigation and testimony.
I take it that you agree that there were WMD's and a reason to go into war with Iraq? Which happened, in part, based on Muellers investigation and testimony.
I take it that you agree that there were WMD's and a reason to go into war with Iraq? Which happened, in part, based on Muellers investigation and testimony.
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Says you. How do you know, did Alex Jones tell you?
The investigators can not empanel grand juries without something to show them.
This investigation has two going simultaneously, and there could be another one empaneled besides before it is over (no way to know yet). These people are busy.
At what point do you throw in the towel and say "we can't deny the criminality anymore".
B.S. Is that what MSNBC is 'telling you to think'?
During investigations, they usually empanel grand juries to help with the investigation, not because they have "something to show them".
This investigation has two empaneled grand juries, one for Flynn and one for Manafort. The grand juries have been taking some of the load off of the investigators and have simply been going over paperwork, to determine if something might be of interest to the investigation, or if something might not be of interest, they have also been issuing subpoenas for information from various people. It's what grand juries do during an investigation. IF the investigation does eventually come across "something to show them, where an indictment is required, the grand jury will be involved with that, too. But if there ends up being nothing, the people in the grand jury are released to go about their regular lives.
It is not fishing, it is a targeted investigation into a series of allegations ref the 2016 election, Russian meddling and the extent to which Team Trump colluded and aided Putin in his vindictive attack on Hillary and the US.
You must know something the FBI doesn't know. What is your evidence for your silly claim?
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