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Old 10-09-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by jm1982 View Post
Yeah Pelosi and Crying Chuck Schumer are super honest and trustworthy.... right .

Why would they be against securing our border and enforcing immigration law?

Think about it ? Because their party decided to pander to illegal aliens .
Because we do not need a wall. Why should we pander to 35% or the country who blame everything on a problem that has been decreasing for years?

We need the crumbling US infrastructure fixed.

The majority of the country does not support the wall. They do support fixing the infrastructure.

Rasmussen poll: Most don't want border wall | TheHill

Pew study: Majority of Americans still oppose Trump's wall - POLITICO

 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Because we do not need a wall. Why should we pander to 35% or the country who blame everything on a problem that has been decreasing for years?

We need the crumbling US infrastructure fixed.

The majority of the country does not support the wall. They do support fixing the infrastructure.

Rasmussen poll: Most don't want border wall | TheHill

Pew study: Majority of Americans still oppose Trump's wall - POLITICO


Lefties who cry fiscal responsibility as a reason for opposition to the wall are hilarious.....

Who do you think you're fooling? Lol.

Half of you don't even believe that pile of donkey manure yourselves...

There is one reason and one reason ONLY that the Left opposes the border wall.


.......They're afraid it might actually work
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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Lefties who cry fiscal responsibility as a reason for opposition to the wall are hilarious.....

Who do you think you're fooling? Lol.

Half of you don't even believe that pile of donkey manure yourselves...

There is one reason and one reason ONLY that the Left opposes the border wall.


.......They're afraid it might actually work
Dumbest thing I ever heard. You want to control illegal immigration, start punishing the employers. EMPLOYERS create the demand for illegal immigration, NOT illegal immigrants
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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rubbish. if shummer and pelosi were interested in border security, they would have been pushing it through congress years ago. instead they have been working hard to prevent any immigration reform, and any thoughts of border security.
rubbish to you. Under the dems record numbers were returned south of our border and those trying to cross fell.

What we really have is a huge pile of lies sold to low information voters who simply don't know what they are talking about.

Low wages are due to federal policy over the last 40 years, not on borders, but labor laws.

One by one states were pitted against each other so that employment at will has become the norm. the unions are all but destroyed and the uber wealthy are rewriting our laws one at a time. the Devos family, Mercer Koch are all hell bent on eroding everything you have. Yet still you cling to fake stories like

Dems want to take your guns.
Dems support open borders.
Dems want one global gov.

and dozens of other outright lies, just like those.


Let me be clear Rohm, you have either been tricked or are part of the group deceiving americans.

Do you really think your state moving to employment at will has really helped make your life better or has it made it easy for corps to hire/fire because your manager just does not like you or because this week they want younger people?

Do you really think getting rid of the fairness act has improved the quality of news or has it divided us as Karl Rove intended?

Do you truly believe democrats want to allow in endless numbers of people and lose their own jobs? or does that sound unbelievable when you really stop and think?

Do you think the average Dem voter would like a single world gov that would drain our resources away from our own children? Really ? you really think we dems want to see our kid's schools lose funding to support a school in italy or Costa Rica?
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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Dumbest thing I ever heard. You want to control illegal immigration, start punishing the employers. EMPLOYERS create the demand for illegal immigration, NOT illegal immigrants
Republicans are not going to punish Trump's buddies! They are going to pretend spending 50 billion on a wall will solve the problem.

you don't solve this problems by building bigger and bigger barriers you solve it by punishing those who make it worth the risks. ie the employers. But i doubt Rs will get behind really fixing the problem when what they want is a big wall to hide behind.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Dumbest thing I ever heard. You want to control illegal immigration, start punishing the employers. EMPLOYERS create the demand for illegal immigration, NOT illegal immigrants
EXACTLY.

Both the US government and corporate greed are what caused the migration. It was wink-wink nod-nod so the corporations could have cheap labor, labor that didn't/couldn't demand fair wages, decent working conditions, safety standards.

Because this long-standing government policy allowed and even encouraged illegal migration, this is why there needs to be a thoughtful solution to it. NOT fair to toss out decades-long immigrants without regard to their well-being, ability to stay in the US as productive member of our society.

The irrational approach of kicking everyone out is based mostly on skin color....if these grubby corporations had hired illegals from lily-white countries, there would not be this uproar. There would be a sensible solution by the government that allowed this to happen.

But trump preys on the fears of his ignorant followers, those fearful whites who are full of hate.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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EXACTLY.

Both the US government and corporate greed are what caused the migration. It was wink-wink nod-nod so the corporations could have cheap labor, labor that didn't/couldn't demand fair wages, decent working conditions, safety standards.

Because this long-standing government policy allowed and even encouraged illegal migration, this is why there needs to be a thoughtful solution to it. NOT fair to toss out decades-long immigrants without regard to their well-being, ability to stay in the US as productive member of our society.

The irrational approach of kicking everyone out is based mostly on skin color....if these grubby corporations had hired illegals from lily-white countries, there would not be this uproar. There would be a sensible solution by the government that allowed this to happen.

But trump preys on the fears of his ignorant followers, those fearful whites who are full of hate.
I am sorry what part of illegal you do not understand. Just because other administration has not really solved the problem doe not make less Illegal. Its not about skin color in which you would love to turn this conversation around.


Legal Immigration is about properly managed entry in this country. Trump idea on a merit based system ,like other countries exercise is the wave of the future.


Daca and their parents should be deported as quickly as possible to preserve our borders and the rule of law.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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I am sorry what part of illegal you do not understand. Just because other administration has not really solved the problem doe not make less Illegal. Its not about skin color in which you would love to turn this conversation around.


Legal Immigration is about properly managed entry in this country. Trump idea on a merit based system ,like other countries exercise is the wave of the future.


Daca and their parents should be deported as quickly as possible to preserve our borders and the rule of law.
deporting daca folk has zero to do with preserving law and you know it. You hide behind that, it is just your excuse. And to be clear, Trump does not give a damn about DACA, he just sees it as way to maintain his core base.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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Dumbest thing I ever heard. You want to control illegal immigration, start punishing the employers. EMPLOYERS create the demand for illegal immigration, NOT illegal immigrants
Jobs are not the only thing that brings illegal aliens here and criminals and terrorists aren't interested in jobs, thus the wall. The illegal aliens and their greedy employers are equally guilty of breaking the law. No one drags them over the border to work here. They know that they are breaking the law simply by coming illegally and they know they are breaking the law by working here.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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It's called confirmation bias. You have no proof at all there are 30 million illegals in the US. Absolutely none at all.
And you have no proof that there are only 11 million illegals in the US. Absolutely none at all.
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