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Old 09-25-2017, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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http://www.who.int/gho/publications/...nnexB.pdf?ua=1

USA 79.3 years
Canada 82.2 years
United Kingdom 81.2 years
Germany 81 years
France 82.4 years

The same difference remains when looking at healthy life expectancy which is a good indicator of the national health care system. WHO | World Health Organization



If you want to go the "demographics" route: Life expectancy of white Americans is 78.8 years (in 2014), the "white" European countries have a higher life expectancy. If you exclude the immigrant populations it would be even higher. Unless your life expectancy increased by more than 5 years in the last two years you're talking out of your behind.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

Black are around 75 years btw. I smell your agenda.





Yes certainly genetics. Lots of Asian countries that have a low life expectancy despite their supposedly good genetics. Because they do not have adequate health care.



It is about healthy living, but also health care. If we didn't have health care many of us would've died already from preventable diseases.


USA life expectancy is 79.8
United States Life expectancy at birth - Demographics

and The researchers found that white men with 16 or more years of schooling can expect to live an average of 14 years longer than black men with fewer than 12 years of education.(For white and black women with the same educational differences, that gap was 10 years.)
Huge Racial Gap In Life Expectancy - Business Insider


no agenda...just showing that genetics and life style play a BIG ROLE...more so than ''health care"
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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and you don't think the PAYOR, will determines what it pays, therefore the service provided???
All insurers negotiate rates. That is standard practice.

Unfortunately Obamacare is forbidden by law from negotiating drug prices for the national pool (Hmmm, I wonder why )


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and the FDA (our government) is a major part of the problem
The FDA is a different issue entirely, governed by a separate set off laws which have nothing to do with insurers.

Thank the thalidomide controversy for that.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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All insurers negotiate rates. That is standard practice.

Unfortunately Obamacare is forbidden by law from negotiating drug prices for the national pool (Hmmm, I wonder why )


The FDA is a different issue entirely, governed by a separate set off laws which have nothing to do with insurers.

Thank the thalidomide controversy for that.
You realize high drug prices are the result of govt intervention? Free market is the answer
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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You realize high drug prices are the result of govt intervention? Free market is the answer
We still need safe pharmaceuticals. The government needs to be involved to protect the public (and by the way, issue patents).

The idea that government intervention is the cause of high prices is a red herring. Greed causes high prices.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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All insurers negotiate rates. That is standard practice.

Unfortunately Obamacare is forbidden by law from negotiating drug prices for the national pool (Hmmm, I wonder why )
That's a great question. Why did Dems pass that?
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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That's a great question. Why did Dems pass that?
I don't know, probably because of contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, but it has got to change.


Don't you agree?
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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We still need safe pharmaceuticals. The government needs to be involved to protect the public (and by the way, issue patents).

The idea that government intervention is the cause of high prices is a red herring. Greed causes high prices.
The govt has enforced a protected market. Can you imagine how much a television would cost if the state only allowed one manufacturer?
The FDA doesnt protect the public, it just decides who can $ell in the market.
Safety would exist and improve absent a govt monopoly.

I look forward to your next illogical meme that complains about the outcomes of govt intervention, yet calls for more of the same.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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The govt has enforced a protected market. Can you imagine how much a television would cost if the state only allowed one manufacturer?
The FDA doesnt protect the public, it just decides who can $ell in the market.
Safety would exist and improve absent a govt monopoly.
I don't know what you are driving at here.

Are you in favor of removing all federal safety regulations on pharmaceuticals? That seems to be what you are contending.

The free market has never yet demonstrated that it would provide safe and effective products simply because we hope they would. Without regulations people could be killed on snake oil, it has happened before.

Sure, people would know not to buy certain products after they heard neighbors were killed or babies were deformed on the stuff, but by then it is too late for many of our fellow citizens.

No, we must have product safety regulations to protect the public. Price gouging is a completely different issue and it is guileful to pretend they are connected.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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I don't know what you are driving at here.

Are you in favor of removing all federal safety regulations on pharmaceuticals? That seems to be what you are contending.

The free market has never yet demonstrated that it would provide safe and effective products simply because we hope they would. Without regulations people could be killed on snake oil, it has happened before.

Sure, people would know not to buy certain products after they heard neighbors were killed or babies were deformed on the stuff, but by then it is too late for many of our fellow citizens.

No, we must have product safety regulations to protect the public. Price gouging is a completely different issue and it is guileful to pretend they are connected.
Fear mongering noted.
Product safety can be achieved through independent organizations. Have you ever heard of Consumer Reports or Underwriters Laboratory a.k.a. UL Listed? Also insurance carriers would have a say due to product liability concerns. And in the age of social media how many minutes would it take before fellow consumers were alerted to an unsafe product?
it sounds as though you believe govt has banished unsafe products from our lives? It hasn't, its only given a you a false belief that it has. Google away for examples if you so disbelieve.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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We still need safe pharmaceuticals. The government needs to be involved to protect the public (and by the way, issue patents).

The idea that government intervention is the cause of high prices is a red herring. Greed causes high prices.
Yes, it can't be full one way or the other. The government is too involved unless they are protecting patents. Yes, indeed prices will come down if the government gets out of the way. I can't imagine that once created a drug can't be replicated for more than a few bucks.
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