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Here is my theory about violent criminals. They understand nothing but violence. Many violent criminals don't care if they themselves live or die. They are full of anger and have never learned how to control their anger. Many hate themselves and everyone else around them. Many value money and material things over people.
Exactly! Violent crime (or crime in general) ISN'T a racial issue. All races are composed of individuals. Some of those individuals choose to make something of themselves. Some choose to whine and complain about others determining their position. Others choose to become criminals. That is a decision those individuals made.
Exactly! Violent crime (or crime in general) ISN'T a racial issue. All races are composed of individuals. Some of those individuals choose to make something of themselves. Some choose to whine and complain about others determining their position. Others choose to become criminals. That is a decision those individuals made.
How can someone be so divorced from reality that they can arrive at a conclusion that goes in the face of all metrics since they've been keeping records?
If you can't examine datasets and look for trends or correlations, why bother even recording them? If it truly were an individual thing, why is crime higher among the black population across all levels of income, education and any other metric of socioeconomic achievement?
Most addicts, especially opioid/ opiate, are not violent.
Meth is a different story. Most LE have established protocols for dealing with the tweak because violence is common.
An addict is probably less likely to carry a firearm than most folk. It would have long been sold or traded for their drug of choice if they had a firearm.
Meth is something else. I live in an area where meth use has gone up. Pills too. I don't go near tweakers. I hear meth makes a person crazy.
Meth is getting big where I live in the exurbs of metro Atlanta. And even more in the very rural areas. But it's not unheard of to have it in the inner city. This is particularly the case among the Black gay community. Atlanta is the East Coast distribution center for meth.
I never thought about people trading their guns for drugs. I've heard of trading sex for drugs.
How can someone be so divorced from reality that they can arrive at a conclusion that goes in the face of all metrics since they've been keeping records?
If you can't examine datasets and look for trends or correlations, why bother even recording them? If it truly were an individual thing, why is crime higher among the black population across all levels of income, education and any other metric of socioeconomic achievement?
All very true, but not accurate to blame it on all blacks. Like every other race, they do have bad individuals that choose to commit crimes. If there is an issue with the wider black community (and still far from all black people) it is that a significant number embrace an urban, inner city culture and mentality that glorifies and defends criminals. The very criminals that most hurt their own neighborhoods. Even then, that's hardly a black-only thing. It's a matter of degree. As a society we have all too often accepted criminals and violence. We especially make excuses for them when they are celebrities, either sports figures, actors, musicians.
We need to start, finally, getting tough on crime, locking up criminals of all races, helping police to capture the very animals that threaten our neighborhoods-and then throw away the key. Oh, and executing the worst of them-regardless of pigmentation level.
Despite gang affiliation substantially increases one's risk that one will become a homicide statistic, the gun homicides are not necessarily gang related. Go back and read my post. So often, too often it's about nonsence posted on social media.
Another Chicago story: A woman posted some crap about another woman on FB and they were off and running. Dozens of women in ther 20's- 30's came prepared with guns and box cutters to work it out. A gun battle ensued in the middle of the street in the middle of the day. Their children watched.
One woman got into her car and rammed another into a tree. She backed up and accelerated and hit her again before taking off on foot.
LE knows who she is given she left her car at the scene. They can't find her. No one knows anything. No one talks and instead, blames. Obviously, the killer is being protected by her local community.
Another story: 14 year old girl shot up a porch full of people because someone posted something nasty about her on FB. Her uncle, gang member, gave her a gun to take care of those who disrespected her.
The same kind of cognition that would shoot over a bag of chips is more likely to become affiliated with a gang, no?
One has to be extremely unhinged or unable to deal with anger to kill over a facebook page or over potato chips.
Despite gang affiliation substantially increases one's risk that one will become a homicide statistic, the gun homicides are not necessarily gang related. Go back and read my post. So often, too often it's about nonsence posted on social media.
Another Chicago story: A woman posted some crap about another woman on FB and they were off and running. Dozens of women in ther 20's- 30's came prepared with guns and box cutters to work it out. A gun battle ensued in the middle of the street in the middle of the day. Their children watched.
One woman got into her car and rammed another into a tree. She backed up and accelerated and hit her again before taking off on foot.
LE knows who she is given she left her car at the scene. They can't find her. No one knows anything. No one talks and instead, blames. Obviously, the killer is being protected by her local community.
Another story: 14 year old girl shot up a porch full of people because someone posted something nasty about her on FB. Her uncle, gang member, gave her a gun to take care of those who disrespected her.
The same kind of cognition that would shoot over a bag of chips is more likely to become affiliated with a gang, no?
LOL, I'm not sure...isn't that even to stupid for a gang member ?
How can someone be so divorced from reality that they can arrive at a conclusion that goes in the face of all metrics since they've been keeping records?
If you can't examine datasets and look for trends or correlations, why bother even recording them? If it truly were an individual thing, why is crime higher among the black population across all levels of income, education and any other metric of socioeconomic achievement?
There is significant academic work that indicates the crime statistics for Blacks may be driven mostly by poverty levels rather than race. For example...
I'd like to try. First, it might infringe on some rights and seem strict but like you said, this problem has been going on for many many years, its time to get tough.
First, an evaluation of all the cities with high crime rates needs to be done. A target rate needs to be worked out. The cities that are over it get some changes implemented.
1) Release all the prisoners that are in for petty marijuana charges, provided these weren't plea bargained charges for other heavier ones.
2) Release prisoners that are first timers with non violent crimes into some sort of work release system. Amazon was thinking of coming to Detroit, maybe try and work with them to help these people get back on their feet and move forward from their mistakes.
3) Make a statement to the citizens of the city that they have 6 months to make whatever firearms they have legal, or if one is not legal to possess one, give them a chance to turn them in. Also state that anyone caught with an illegal firearm gets a mandatory 10 year sentence and anyone using a deadly weapon in a crime gets and automatic 20 year sentence. No plea bargains. Murder gets life. These are regardless of age.
4) Start programs in middle schools to try inform children on the dangers of violence, firearms, etc. Try to get them involved in sports , college prep , etc.
5) Impose a mandatory curfew of anyone under the age of 25. If under the age of 25 and working at night during the curfew , you need a work permit. Anyone caught out after curfew without permission gets 1 year.
6) Impose stop and frisk. See a car all tinted out slowly cruising a neighborhood , pull it over and search it. See a group of kids hanging out at a street corner, stop and search.
Two to Five years of this and I'm willing to bet we see a dramatic reduction in violence and crime.
I live in a suburb and would have no problems seeing this implemented there.
Actually....some of those things are not bad ideals. However, in a city like Detroit, with 139 square miles and some areas sparsely populated.....the police force are spread to thin to do all that stuff and the city is too poor to hire the amount of cops that could make such a plan feasible. Stuff like that works more in extremely high density cities with lots of foot traffic.
NYC is 309 square miles with 34,500 police officers. That breaks down to 111 police officers per square mile. On the other hand, Detroit is 139 square miles with 1600 police officers, which breaks down to 11 police officers per square mile. Hence, criminals are much less likely to cross paths with a police officer than in higher density cities with larger budgets for police.
This is not rocket science. The murder rate has been ebbing and flowing for years. It usually is a function of illegal drug activity. When there is a hot profitable new drug......market share violence increases which ramps up the culture of violence in these communities and conditions others that it is a kill or be killed world. Thus, people arm themselves and when any little conflict ensues....you have to be the first to pull the trigger out of fear that the other person is going to pull it on you first. Homicides beget homicides.
Hence, legalizing drugs and taking the profit out of illegal drug dealing should be considered. If not, then let the major drug crews dominate a city and dissuade challengers. Every time police take down a crew other crews war for their territory and the body count rises. Perceptually taking down crews inadvertently perpetuates more violence. The drugs are not going away. There will always be people who are going to fill the vacuum left when a crew or organization is taken down. That keeps blood in the streets.
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