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Old 09-28-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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It will do nothing or little to nothing to speed up the help getting supplies to where they are needed. There are plenty of supplies sitting in the Puerto Rico ports now.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...people-suffer/

“There are more than 3,000 shipping containers sitting here at the port which are just sitting here,” he explained. “It’s got everything they need. “The people who run the port say we’ve got guys in line, ready to put these on a truck, but nobody’s showing up,” he continued. “The governor of Puerto Rico say they’re having trouble reaching the truck drivers. Maybe their homes are destroyed.”

Its really more of a longer term solution to reduce cost of good and from that point of view it would be beneficial.
Yes it will help with the cost of those goods -- which is the main concern right now. And yes -- they are having trouble getting drivers to the port because the drivers -- residents of Puerto Rico have no food, no water, no power, and are just trying to exist. They will get the drivers once they are past that just trying to exist stage.

This will help.

If anybody has lived on an island.....everything is shipped in and it is expensive. This will help them to get back on their feet without the added costs. It's a good thing.

It's the right thing to do.
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes it will help with the cost of those goods -- which is the main concern right now. And yes -- they are having trouble getting drivers to the port because the drivers -- residents of Puerto Rico have no food, no water, no power, and are just trying to exist. They will get the drivers once they are past that just trying to exist stage.

This will help.

If anybody has lived on an island.....everything is shipped in and it is expensive. This will help them to get back on their feet without the added costs. It's a good thing.

It's the right thing to do.
Cost is always a concern but I wouldn't say its the main concern.

P.R. has some unique problems.
Communication hampers distribution. Lets say they can chopper in supplies to a location and no one is there to receive it.
Should they just drop it there, when no one knows its there, and hope its found and distributed fairly ?
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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So, just as I suspected, this whole Jones Act (and the act does need to be repealed, IMO) debate was just an effort by the left to make President Trump look insensitive to PR, etc. Now, as the article mentions, its foreseeable that the truck drivers don't have a way to get to the piers, but that's hardly a cause of the Jones Act. Supplies are on island and have been on island.
No, it lowers the cost of the supplies.

I was under the impression w/out it being done, price gouging would be inevitable / already started.

If not for 'media pressure' it would not have happened. It's a win for everyone except people that refuse to see how inept Don is.
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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Cost is always a concern but I wouldn't say its the main concern.

P.R. has some unique problems.
Communication hampers distribution. Lets say they can chopper in supplies to a location and no one is there to receive it.
Should they just drop it there, when no one knows its there, and hope its found and distributed fairly ?
Yes the distribution of the supplies will be a challenge given the destruction on the island and there being no way to communicate.

Watched Homeland Security guy this morning. Finally some real effort to help those people. YES!!!!!
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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It will do nothing or little to nothing to speed up the help getting supplies to where they are needed. There are plenty of supplies sitting in the Puerto Rico ports now.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...people-suffer/

“There are more than 3,000 shipping containers sitting here at the port which are just sitting here,” he explained. “It’s got everything they need. “The people who run the port say we’ve got guys in line, ready to put these on a truck, but nobody’s showing up,” he continued. “The governor of Puerto Rico say they’re having trouble reaching the truck drivers. Maybe their homes are destroyed.”

Its really more of a longer term solution to reduce cost of good and from that point of view it would be beneficial.
The Jones Act is antiquated. This is the 21st Century and we operate in a global economy. Repealing this law will cut costs for Puerto Rico's commerce. Heck, it would also be especially beneficial for Alaska and Hawaii.

Congress needs to get rid of now. However, a few people in the shipping industry are in the politicians pockets.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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I understand the difficulty in moving around the supplies already on the island. However, I am glad that Mr. Trump finally issued the waiver. As the recovery and such proceeds, it may well make a difference in helping out the citizens.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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The reporter from CBS who was the first to report shortage of driver is now asking for drivers to phone a number. I guess they might import some drivers. That's a good thing.

I'm pleased Trump is responding. That's what he should do. Let's not rehash, let's not go back in time.

The Jones Act is waived, they are getting resources to Puerto Rico. Finally it is coming together. Should have, could have, would have -- done and gone....let's move forward.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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How did you arrive at the conclusion that the Jones Act debate makes Trump look bad. Either way this is an archaic and wasteful law that should have been repealed years ago, nothing to do with Trump as it is a long term issue.


The problem remains that they do not have the means of distribution on the island, the debate should be how Trump can assist.
the left was using the jones act, despite the conditions in puerto rico, to beat up on trump and make it seem like he doesnt care.

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The reporter from CBS who was the first to report shortage of driver is now asking for drivers to phone a number. I guess they might import some drivers. That's a good thing.

I'm pleased Trump is responding. That's what he should do. Let's not rehash, let's not go back in time.

The Jones Act is waived, they are getting resources to Puerto Rico. Finally it is coming together. Should have, could have, would have -- done and gone....let's move forward.
yeah, getting more drivers will help, once the roads are made passable. but that may be sometime. so there are supplies on the docks, but no drivers. once the drivers get there, how do they get to the people that need them? once the roads are cleared, then the supplies will start flowing.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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the left was using the jones act, despite the conditions in puerto rico, to beat up on trump and make it seem like he doesnt care.



yeah, getting more drivers will help, once the roads are made passable. but that may be sometime. so there are supplies on the docks, but no drivers. once the drivers get there, how do they get to the people that need them? once the roads are cleared, then the supplies will start flowing.
I suspect with the number of reporters at the port -- some roads are passable and the passionate pleas for drivers suggest they have roads ready.

No the Jones Act wasn't something the liberals were using. The Jones Act waivering was something the officials in Puerto Rico asked days ago. Yes the media picked up that story -- as they should. Initially Trump refused to waive it because his friends make money off of it -- (his line not the media's) now he has changed his mind.

As ridiculous as folks who will attack Trump for breathing are the folks who blame the media and liberals for all of Trump's mistakes and failings.

It's fine - he fixed it -- but it was another time where he said something before thinking and then had to back track. We are getting used to it. He could change his mind again -- lol.
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Old 09-28-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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Trump made the right decision. Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the rest of the US territories should be exempt from the Jones Act permanently.
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