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Old 10-02-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dockside View Post
Why do you people always forget this real life example:

"More Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats

In the 1960s, Congress was divided on civil rights issues -- but not necessarily along party lines.

"Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum."

What you might not know about the 1964 Civil Rights Act - CNNPolitics
Why do most people not realize that at that time the North was Republican and the South was Democratic? How convenient of you to leave that out.

When is the last time the South had a moral superiority argument?
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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You made a claim (actually several of them) with ZERO supporting factual evidence. You don't get to make a claim and pronounce it as proven with no evidence. This is the logical fallacy of 'begging the question' (basically assuming that which is to be proven).


You prove your case, and then I will be happy to respond to your further challenges, as I'm sure will be LHC.
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Ok... I'll prove that something doesn't exist. Rights expanded by Conservatives: 0. Case proven.

I'll give you a right that has been expanded by conservatives: school choice. It is generally supported by conservatives, and generally opposed by liberals. In my state we have had 'charter schools' for a while, approved by voters as a ballot measure in 2012. Liberals have done everything possible to derail this, at the behest of the teachers' unions, and the status is currently uncertain due to litigation.


I could cite more examples, but only one is required to debunk your 'proof.'
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:27 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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I stand by my statements. And, for your information - the current squatter in the White House has done MORE to fan the flames of racial division than any recent president in modern history. It started before he even ran - the 4-5 years he promoted the racist birther lie and continued into his campaign when a "Mexican" judge wasn't qualified to hear his case.

Most of the world recognizes this fact but the Trump cultists continue to imagine him as a 'uniter".
You have that backwards. The biggest racist in US history is Obama and Trump is for equality of everyone.
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Other than freeing the slaves?
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Old 10-03-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The southern segregationists started voting Republican. I'm not talking about Strom Turmond and his kind that refused to go away. I'm talking about the millions of southern voters. The actual racist poor rural and southern whites that fought against integration. The people that the national guard had to forcibly move aside so black kids can attend school.
How in the world could republicans accomplish what you are saying when the fact remains Republicans didn't gain control of the southern congress until 1994.

Make something else up.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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How in the world could republicans accomplish what you are saying when the fact remains Republicans didn't gain control of the southern congress until 1994.

Make something else up.
The states of the former Confederacy shifted their allegiance starting at the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. This is proven fact. Please try to be intellectually honest for a chance... There are certain things that are universally known by the educated; this being one of them...
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The states of the former Confederacy shifted their allegiance starting at the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. This is proven fact.
LMAO Yea it was such a fast sudden shift it took 30 years to control the Southern Congress. Go ahead and explain to everyone how a minority faction controls the southern congress. I can't wait to read what you make up next using no facts whatsoever.
Keep making things up and you'll continue to look silly. Again the fact remains Republicans didn't gain control of the southern congress until 1994.

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Please try to be intellectually honest for a chance...
Please try to tell the truth. You cannot back up one thing you've said and you won't even try. Go ahead and show proof of the repubs taking over the South in the mid 1960's. You wont, because you can't.

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There are certain things that are universally known by the educated; this being one of them...
Why because you said so? LMAO Again you have no proof but why need facts when one can falsely play the race card.
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Old 10-04-2017, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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Originally Posted by Dockside View Post
Why do you people always forget this real life example:

"More Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats

In the 1960s, Congress was divided on civil rights issues -- but not necessarily along party lines.

"Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum."

What you might not know about the 1964 Civil Rights Act - CNNPolitics
Doesn’t everyone know that? I believe it was the Reagan administration that caused the shift, or at least played a big part in it.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Other than freeing the slaves?
Liberals freed the slaves...

Again, 19th century Republicans were liberals. Not sure why so many of you willfully ignore this fact.

Party name is not the same as political ideology.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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I hear so many excuses as to why conservatives are against this protest, against that one. Then I tried to think of what type of movement for racial equality would conservatives support. I couldn't come up with one. Why don't conservatives just admit they don't support racial equality? That all their excuses are just coverups for the fact that they don't want a fair criminal justice system or racial equality. Let's go through some real-life examples:

Athletes/Non-athletes
When NFL players kneeled during the national anthem, conservatives said athletes should just shut up and play.
--but--
When non-athletes protest like during marches in D.C. and New York, conservatives have a problem with that too.

Not necessarily. When people peacefully protest and don't attempt to interrupt people's lives, many conservatives have zero issues with it. This is rarely the case though. What you don't mention are the thousands of conservatives who DON'T say anything about this and seem to focus on the outspoken ones who do.

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Flag/Non-flag
When NFL players kneeled during the anthem, conservatives said it was disrespectful of veterans.
--but--
There have been plenty of racial equality protests that take place when the national anthem isn't being played and when the flag isn't being flown. Conservatives still don't support them.

It is very disrespectful of veterans. Equality protests aren't unsupported by Conservatives in the right forum when the protests remain peaceful. Just because there isn't a group of Conservatives standing on the front lines protesting doesn't mean they don't support the cause. It just means that they are working to maintain their livelihood.

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Hollywood/Non-Hollywood
When actors make political speeches during award shows, conservatives say Hollywood needs to stay out of it.
--but--
When millions of people across the country who aren't actors make the same points, conservatives bash them.

Because entertainers shouldn't use their platforms to push politics. It is a time in life when people can escape their own lives (which are often full of politics) to live in the fantasy of a movie/tv show/game/etc... Introducing politics back into it is simply removing their ability to relax and enjoy a moment.

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Violent/Non-violent
When black people get into physical altercations or damage property after hearing verdicts of cops being found not guilty, conservatives bash them for being violent.
--but--
When black people make peaceful protests such as NBA players simply wearing t-shirts that say "I Can't Breathe", conservatives call the act inappropriate.

Again, see above. They are entertainers. They should keep their political stances neutral while they are performing their job. Outside of their jobs, do whatever you want. When you attempt to force your political agenda onto people there will be a backlash.

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Rich/Middle-class
When Hollywood, athletes, or other rich liberals make pleas for criminal justice reform, conservatives say those people are out of touch with what America wants because they're rich.
--but--
99% of the starters and participants in protests and racial equality movements are middle-class or poor; conservatives put down these people.
The first statement is true. The second one is only true in many cases when those people become violent.


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So will conservatives admit that they're just faking when it comes to being pro-flag, anti-rich, anti-athlete, etc.? Will conservatives finally be honest and admit that they will be against ANY AND ALL calls for criminal justice reform and racial equality? Tell the truth, shame the devil.

No, we will not. Because it just isn't true. And posts like these that are trying to paint us in a light that we don't believe is true just serves to divide us further. Instead of trying to get conservatives on board all you are doing is making sure that we remain right where we are.
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