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The pledge is not used to pledge allegiance to the US government, it's a pays respect to the nation and the people.
The left wants every cultural norm and tradition flushed down the toilet, while trying to claim they are patriots at the same time.
Really, so the guy that s hot up Vegas, because he says the pledge of Allegiance he respects the nation and he darn sure didn't respect it's people.
The only thing the pledge of allegiance means is that you learned how to memorize something in the third grade.
Patriotism doesn't have a darn thing with standing up with your hand over your heart. LOL I'm a season ticket holder at the Phillies, 90% of the people don't even pay attention. Half are in line at the vendors, the remainders are standing up running off with the mouths and every single person under 30 is on their cell phones.
All credibility for the OP was lost in the thread title. To begin a post with the title "Leftist poison is spreading" isn't exactly the best way to start a thread if you want people to take you seriously LOL
Despite what some folks on City-Data may believe, it is possible to disagree with somebody without calling them names or insulting them. Shocker, I know.
Was the OP calling you a name?
Sometimes a title like that is coming from a frustrated person, who's trying to illicit a response from those who claim to be liberal progressives, to try and find something we might all mostly agree on. That's all. Agreeing that we should not disrespect the flag, should be something we all agree on, since the flag represents us, "we the people."
Do you consider yourself on "the left?" How far left? Are you an American hating communist or socialist, who wants to tear down all that this nation stands for? If not, then it's very doubtful you are "the left" that the OP is speaking to. So then don't take offense to his reference and act as if you are.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Refresh my memory, wasn't that what Kaepernick was protesting for? Now we have the NFL doing the same thing.
American's do not have to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. They can even burn the flag. However when America is attacked who will defend it? With all these protesters and supporters of these protests I doubt modern day America could find enough citizens patriotic enough to fight for the freedoms they are so eager to abuse.
Secondly, Kaepernick and the NFL protests were about mistreatment of blacks by police. (Or at least I think that is reason). How many police men and women have been ambushed and murdered by blacks. If Kaepernick and the NFL has the right to protest then why not the police. How would you like a nationwide police protest where every police person calls in sick for one day?
It is truly a sad day in this country when the result of anti-American protests affects the children the America.
I thought students were not required to stand for the pledge....
Not sure why so many in our country want to force patriotism down the throats of children. FWIW, I have no problem with the pledge (except the "under God" part, and as an atheist, I've told my kids they don't have to stand for it if they don't want since I'm raising them to be free thinkers). I also have no problem with the anthem. But people need to quit tripping about forcing people do be patriotic. The great thing about America is that we have the right not to participate in these traditions if we choose not to do so, this goes for children as well.
Sometimes a title like that is coming from a frustrated person, who's trying to illicit a response from those who claim to be liberal progressives, to try and find something we might all mostly agree on. That's all. Agreeing that we should not disrespect the flag, should be something we all agree on, since the flag represents us, "we the people."
Do you consider yourself on "the left?" How far left? Are you an American hating communist or socialist, who wants to tear down all that this nation stands for? If not, then it's very doubtful you are "the left" that the OP is speaking to. So then don't take offense to his reference and act as if you are.
Was the child disrespecting YOU in not standing, or the NFL players...?
The blue is exactly what the "liberal progressives" and protestors are doing. So you have a right to do so and don't think liberals should be upset, yet you are upset about people kneeling....
It is legal to burn the American flag. It is just a symbol. Do not idolize it. If you want to stand for the National Anthem, that's your right, it is also your right not to do so.
Republicans shamelessly wrap themselves in symbols like flags and anthems, while they are busy robbing millions of people of their health care, defending lax gun laws resulting in the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, and planning tax breaks for millionaires while disenfranchising the poor and most vulnerable in our society.
Really, so the guy that s hot up Vegas, because he says the pledge of Allegiance he respects the nation and he darn sure didn't respect it's people.
That's a nonsensical analogy.
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The only thing the pledge of allegiance means is that you learned how to memorize something in the third grade.
Your logic does hot hold up. If the pledge to a 1st grader is just words to be memorized, then why would a 1st grader take a knee to it?
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Patriotism doesn't have a darn thing with standing up with your hand over your heart.
There are a lot of things we have traditionally done as a sign of respect, it's all been a part of showing mutual respect foe each other in a civil society.
Getting married "doesn't have a darn thing with standing up" when the father takes the bride down the isle, either. It's just what we traditionally do, to show respect.
Men traditionally stand when they shake hands, hold doors open for a woman, to show respect. sometimes we show respect for people who died, with a collective moment of silence.
It's seems like some people want to blow out any of our cultural traditions, if their purpose is to show a mutual respect for our fellow Americans.
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LOL I'm a season ticket holder at the Phillies, 90% of the people don't even pay attention. Half are in line at the vendors, the remainders are standing up running off with the mouths and every single person under 30 is on their cell phones.
Plu-eeze.
More and more people in this country, seem to want live in their own little worlds, and they spend less and less time showing the type of common respect that has been a part of this nation cultural traditions.
So what is your point here? You just seem to scorn and ridicule for our traditions.
Our national anthem and our pledge should not be viewed as an opportunity for people to show protest against their fellow Americans, they have always been where the American people display unity and respect for each other.
At a large sporting event, the people arrive at the stadium representing opposing teams. The fans and player sit on opposite sides of the field as opponents, the enemy. The national anthem has traditionally been where we Americans take time to remember that we are all one people, with common goals. The anthem is where we show honor and respect for each other as Americans and remember those who have come before us, and those who will come after us. then it's "play ball."
The left, and I use that term loosely, seem to be trying to destroy every public display of unity and respect for one another. We cannot pray in public, stand for the anthem or the pledge. Hell, men are ridiculed or admonished by "the left" for holding doors open for a lady.
So what would "the left" replace our traditional, public displays of unity and respect with, hashtags and public protests?
It is legal to burn the American flag. It is just a symbol. Do not idolize it. If you want to stand for the National Anthem, that's your right, it is also your right not to do so.
Republicans shamelessly wrap themselves in symbols like flags and anthems, while they are busy robbing millions of people of their health care, defending lax gun laws resulting in the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, and planning tax breaks for millionaires while disenfranchising the poor and most vulnerable in our society.
You just politicize everything, don't you.
It's easy to burn the flag, or disrespect our national anthem, if you are clueless what they represent. It's even easier to disrespect them if you twist and distort those symbols into something perverted.
I'm curious, what does the flag and the anthem represent to you?
Was the child disrespecting YOU in not standing, or the NFL players...?
The blue is exactly what the "liberal progressives" and protestors are doing. So you have a right to do so and don't think liberals should be upset, yet you are upset about people kneeling....
Very interesting
Liberal progressives who take a knee, have no clue what they are doing. The flag and the anthem mean nothing to them, that's why they look around dismayed at why someone would be offended by their actions.
BTW, protesting something by taking a knee to the anthem is is not only inappropriate, it's about as lazy and as vague a protest as you can do.
It's inappropriate, because the anthem is where people come together as one, to show respect.
It's lazy because it takes absolutely no effort.
It's completely vague and without context, because it imparts no meaning as to why the hell you are taking a knee in disrespect.
You may as well walk over to a customer in a restaurant and urinate in their bowl of soup. Oh sure, you'll get their attention, but it's also inappropriate and the customer will be upset, and they too will be clueless as to why the hell you did it.
Honestly when I was a kid I used to roll my eyes when they did the pledge of allegiance. I respect what our solders have done for this country, but there's no need to have the pledge done every single day at schools, and I certainly don't pledge my life to fight any and all of the oligarch's / bankers wars.. I'd take each one on a case by case basis.. but most middle east wars have been fought with ulterior motives in mind and left vaccums in the end that made things worse off. If you're gonna take out a foreign leader, finish the job and put a good western puppet in power to get the nation building process going and get the internet fired up so the culture can begin to westernize.. don't just leave a vacuum let any old group of people take over.
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