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Follow this logic. The right to bear arms was written when there were muskets. The world has changed. There shouldn't be a right to semi automatic weapons, bullets that can pierce through safety vests, the ability to have 19 guns. We are living in a nation where people are putting guns before lives.
Still waiting for the logic since you mentioned it...
Yes. Brain damage of all types, especially to the frontal lobe areas that regulate judgment and impulse control, has been associated with an increase in poor judgment and increased incidence of violent behavior. There is significant research showing that a higher than expected percentage of incarcerated violent offenders suffer from some form of head injury and brain damage incurred during their lifetime, often during their childhoods.
Just a recent example, Aaron Hernandez, or OJ. The Texas Tower shooter had a brain tumor.
Yep, brains need to be illegal. Follow the consistency of the logic: Gun used improperly=Gun (object) needs to be illegal. Brains used improperly=Brain (object) needs to be illegal. But I'm sure this post will be pulled too because people don't like to be told the facts, do they? They'd rather base their reasoning on emotional reactions.
Of the millions of 2A supporting people in America. Who follow the law. You believe that the rights of all shall be altered to fit the agenda of a few, based on the actions of one?
I'm not asking if you own one or not. It is your right as a law abiding American citizen, to keep and bear arms. And you'd forfeit that for someone else? Would you do the same for speech? How about the right to a trial of your peers? A right to an attorney?
A right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment?
That's the Pandora box you seek to open.
When the mass decides to voluntarily give up one right, what's to stop from others. That is the big picture of it.
I do not seek to live in a safe space void of things someone else declares evil or dangerous. I want to jump out of perfectly operational air craft and parachute out of them. I want to run a top fuel dragster over 300mph down a 1/4 mile track. I want to turn dollar bills into a pile of spent brass next to a belt fed fully automatic weapon. Things most would find either dangerous or scary. Things that have no bearing on your life whatsoever.
I don't ever want to live in a 2nd Amendment restricted area ever again.
That's what those of the other opinion do not want to realize. They are *also* horrified (yes, we are too even though we're not expressing things in overly emotional ways because we're wired to think more rationally than others, apparently) about what's happening so their response is to lash out in whatever way possible to try to make things stop. They don't realize that what they're trying to do will be ineffective overall and just open the door for a whole new host of tyranny. But they want to try it because "We've got to do something". No matter if that something is totally irrelevant of facts and just based on emotions.
Gotta say, emotionally-affected minds (those who are wired to base things off of feelings rather than facts) are not likely to regard well-presented logic. They just do not want to hear what sounds "harsh" or what gives them the reaction of "What's wrong with you people?" even though the argument is entirely factual.
What are the 8 different uses of your 8 different guns?
OK, maybe let's just keep the number of guns to below a dozen per person, just some attempt to begin to rein in this epidemic of gun violence. Why NOT try some gun control measures and see what happens? Think of all the lives that could be saved. Nearly one hundred people a day die from gun violence, and many more are injured. If gun violence is not reduced, then revoke the gun control measures.
Because you don't "try" things in governments. It's not going to be "well, let's put this law into effect for a year or two and see what happens!" Laws go into effect and it generally takes moving heaven and earth or a significant revolt to get them changed. You let the government start taking away your freedoms now, the ones you have left, and it will not stop until maybe one day you realize you live in a country where the government controls your life. Now, some people would probably be okay with that. But a good percentage of people living in this country are still warm-blooded Americans who are NOT okay with ANYONE running our lives but OURSELVES.
GOVERNMENT GET the F--- OUT is what this country was built on. You want socialism or whatever it is where the government gets up your a-- and stays there? Go to the thousands of other countries where this is available. Don't try to mess up ours because of your fear-based mind and inability to think logically and rationally. PLEASE--if this place is too scary for you and you want the government to be your Mommy and Daddy, there's PLENTY of other places for you to go live at. But you like the things we have here right? So, unfortunately, you can't have it all. If you're able to, weigh the positives and negatives. Pick what fits you best.
And for the record, on what planet does he need to explain to you or anyone else for what he uses his 8 different guns for? That's his own business. There is no evidence that he has committed any crime with them. But of course, this is the society you want to create, where I need to explain to other people what I do with my life. Please, if you're that paranoid and have that much fear motivating your actions in life, move to another country where you feel the government can "protect" you better. We really don't want any of that here. And if people would stop wanting to enjoy their comforts while they last, we're not going to put up with it for much longer.
Yep, brains need to be illegal. Follow the consistency of the logic: Gun used improperly=Gun (object) needs to be illegal. Brains used improperly=Brain (object) needs to be illegal. But I'm sure this post will be pulled too because people don't like to be told the facts, do they? They'd rather base their reasoning on emotional reactions.
This response reminds me of how family respond to the woman who is raped.......they take away her car keys.
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He had as many as 42 guns. Please explain why anybody NEEDS more than one.
Let's take it from another angle. My standard sidearm is the H&K USP .45. It's a great gun, capable out to 100 yards, shoots dirty, shoots in a mixture of environments, "falls right into place in my hands".
The thing is that in order to carry that concealed, I need a purse, brief case, or field jacket.
So then when it looked like I was going to have an investigator position and be in suits, I changed to carrying a Kimber Ultra Carry .45. I trust the .45 round, it is what I have fired most of my adult life. The Ultra Carry, however, is not as "satisfying" as a larger Kimber 1911. Unless it is absolutely clean, unless the magazines are top notched, it has a tendency to jam.
Further, between the two, the single stack magazine pistol (Kimber) is easier on my hands than the double stacked USP.
Not being entirely happy with the Kimber, I looked for another gun to be my exercise gun, that I could carry when I was biking, for example. My gun dealer sold me a Sig Sauer P239 which by their website :"The P239 was developed in response to demands from law enforcement and federal agents for a compact back-up pistol ideal for off duty concealed carry. The slim profile of this single-stack pistol provides easy concealment without sacrificing handling. "
It's not a .45 but one makes adjustments.
Now, there is one other thing to add to this of "why more than one gun".
If I am fielded with a rifle, I am going to have that USP in a shoulder holster. To me, it is an excellent "secondary battery" to the rifle.
There has been thought, however, of what if someone surprises me, gets close, and goes after the rifle. I can't reach for the USP since it is on my left side and my right hand is involved with the rifle. So perhaps I should have a small caliber, "point defense" pistol on my left hip.
Maybe....that's all just theory right now. While I train with the rifle with the shoulder holster on, it hasn't been put into actual operation.
NOW, that's a lot of detail but then again, in the world of marksmanship, it can involve a lot of detail to those who are not familiar with it.
Now this is obviously a very wise thing to do these days but... when did you start doing this? Was it a reaction to something in particular? It seems like everyone needs to start thinking this way now and.. man, it's just sad. These events are really stripping us of our innocence in this country. I think about the little kids who were there and how they'll probably be trained from this episode to do the same.
I have a son who is a teenager. Yesterday, as we were talking about what happened in Las Vegas, it dawned on me that my son - and his entire generation - have grown up with mass shootings being a normal, albeit terrifying, event. I said to him, "You know this wasn't always normal, right? We didn't always have people injuring and killing dozens (now hundreds) of people at a time while they were just trying to live their lives."
He looked at me like I used to look at my mother when she'd try to explain how things were different when she was a kid.
What I said was truth. And after a mass shooting, the typical responses are "Let's not politicize this" or "Now's not the time to talk about gun control." Then time passes. Then nothing's done. Then there's another mass shooting. Rinse. Repeat.
This is the perfect time to tell the truth.
As much as I detest jumping right into politics after an incident like this happens, I agree with you that we tend to forget what happens and nothing gets done.
Gun control only controls law-abiding people. It does nothing whatsoever to deter armed criminals.
Paddock obtained these guns legally. Before he started his shooting rampage, he was a law abiding citizen.
Think about it.
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