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Old 10-03-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Trying to deflect the subject to "gun class 101" is a disrespect for the people who were killed and wounded.

What people should be concerned about, is how was that many guns allowed to be brought into the hotel. Not trying to demonstrate to others, how to convert weapons to automatic, as if its some training class.
^^^^^ In your opinion.

You aren't a moderator, and neither are the people you are trying to control.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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>>>In this case the guy apparently WASN'T mentally ill. Anyway, were the feds questioned when they purchased over a BILLION rounds of ammo. And that was not for the military.
You want to find out why he did what he did? Start by looking at the end result( another push for gun control) and who he associated with.
You honestly believe his purpose was gun control, Alex Jones is that you?
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:21 PM
 
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Gun shows run several weekends a month in Las Vegas. Gun dealers bringing in twenty some gun cases at a time is probably not a an unusual event.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Don't have to supply links as you can easily google Country Music Guns and get the answer you don't want to see.

I'm at Mandalay Bay every year for a conference, so I know the layout pretty well.

AGAIN this is a Casino. There are video cameras everywhere. There is one (or more) security centers that have multiple people watching multiple screens and no one noticed. There are numerous plain cloths security personnel and no one noticed. Video cameras do not have AI to differentiate people. No matter how much you want to push your anti-gun agenda and blame whatever for this happening, it call comes down to Mandalay Bay security.
Does the hotel have a policy of checking inside of all bags that are brought in the hotel? No.
How would any employee know what was inside of his luggage?
Some people don't pack light so having 10 suitcases wouldn't be abnormal.
Conventions happen daily there are a lot of bags and boxes that pass through the doors daily sometimes all to one location, this is not out of the normal.

Maybe hotels should have TSA agents to screen everyone before they can get on the elevators.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'll give a quick run down on how a suppressor works.

Suppressors act as a muffler. They trap the gasses spent behind the projectile to bring the decibel rating down to a hearing safe level.
The quieter the level and more efficient the suppressor is... the hotter and dirtier a semi or fully automatic weapon will run.

A standard run of the mill carbine AR gas system, which is direct impingement system, utilizes the front sight base as a gas block to route some of the gases from combustion through a gas tube which goes back to the upper receiver to drive the bolt carrier group rearward to eject the spent cartridge and the buffer and spring push the bolt carrier forward grabbing the next cartridge in the magazine.

What happens when you throw a can on an AR? You increase the back pressure, increases the gases and carbon fouling back to the bolt. The faster you shoot the quicker things get dirty. Inducing failure to cycle.

What a suppressor does not do. Is eliminate the sonic boom, the crack of the projectile down range.

In a 16 inch upper. A2 front sight post with a run of the mill 223/5.56 suppressor that thing still goes Boom. Just not deafening boom.

When you run the gun at a faster rate. Halfway through the 4th magazine the gun failed to function. The first failure was a short stroke. The bolt didn't get enough gas from a build up of carbon residue to strip a round out of the magazine. It didn't cycle back fully.
Manually cycle the next round. It managed to cycle. Stripping the next round just fine. Following shot stove pipe. The bolt didn't travel fully rearward and the buffer and spring slammed the bolt carrier home on the spent case. Gun jammed.

I needed a can of brake clean to clean out the gas tube and gas block/front sight post. The carbon fouling was so heavy on the bolt carrier and in the upper receiver it needed to be cleaned. In between the upper an lower receivers was heavy amount of carbon fouling.

In this case. The shooter would have taken himself out with a self induced failure with a suppressor. Especially an effective one that would make the muzzle report quieter. Less rounds down range.

The same thing happens with AK long piston system. The gas block fouls with carbon and the firearm fails to cycle.
I would hate to see the long run down, so how many rounds for a malfunction, 100?
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:22 PM
 
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Who does?

You're not really good at this debate thing.
No. Not really.

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Old 10-03-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by Fox Terrier View Post
shouldn't you save all that ammo for all the murderers surrounding you?

not that I believe you
Murderers?
Well that's what I have these for.




10k That's just ball ammo for 5.56 7.62x39 7.62x51 9mm 45 acp for the weekends.
Primarily 5.56 and 9mm.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
I would hate to see the long run down, so how many rounds for a malfunction, 100?
About 200 less than what he fired. Counted the shots on the video footage.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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You're assuming I don't understand that. I do.

But that was over 200 years ago and the weapons were just a tad different than they are today.

Also, do you advocate the legality of citizens buying biochemical and nuclear weapons? Tanks? Grenades? Atomic bombs?

And don't say that those things are different because in order to have a truly effective militia force against any modern day government, a group would logically have to possess these items for it to be a fair fight.
They had cannons back then. Wasn't a bunch of Americans running out to buy cannons to mount on their covered wagons.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Seacove View Post
So true. I can't even imagine how many would have died if this had been done silently. He already had 23 guns to overcome the challenge of the barrels overheating.
You can't completely silence any gun.

EX: Depending on load (ammo) An AR15 puts out around 140 db's (jet plane)
A suppresser cuts out around 30db's

That leaves around 110 db's (chain chaw)

With heftier rounds we could be talking 150-160 db's (Instant deaf)
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