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Old 10-04-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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Maybe. But then maybe the shooter was so focused on his mayhem that he wouldn't have noticed someone breaking in.
No he had cameras set up in the hall way, he used them to shoot a security guard through the door. Trying to go in with an axe would indeed get you very dead.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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How do you make one of the worst events in American history even worse?

Trump to meet with Las Vegas shooting survivors: 'We're going to pay our respects'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cts/730557001/

From a man with no sense of decency and respect. I cringe at what will come out of his mouth.
Pot, meet kettle. Or, people in glass houses should not throw bricks...
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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How do you make one of the worst events in American history even worse?

Trump to meet with Las Vegas shooting survivors: 'We're going to pay our respects'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cts/730557001/

From a man with no sense of decency and respect. I cringe at what will come out of his mouth.
Let's see - he tossed out paper towels in Puerto Rico (Vegas-like antic), he downgraded the devastation in Puerto Rico by comparing it to Katrina, he "blamed" Puerto Rico damage for throwing the budget out of whack.

I expect Trump to say something like Vegas is a place of chance and people took a gamble going to the concert.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The weapons he used mean very little to me. WHY is my question. What would even remotely make someone do this? This is a extra special kind of twisted, evil. Had he been an Islamowacko, or some other fanatic terrorist type I could wrap my head around it somewhat but this was just some guy from Mesquite. Over 100 grand worth of weapons he brought into the hotel room. He was well financed, and that raises a red flag for me. We have a huge country music festival in my home town here every year. It's sort of a country Woodstock and attracts 20 thousand plus fans. Fleets of RVs, tents, it's huge. This azzbag could have picked this event to hit and my son attends this event every year, mainly for the bull riding event since he's a rider, but he and his wife are both modern country music fans as well.


I'm an avid 2A supporter. I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. I'm wracking my brain trying to think of a way that someone like the LV shooter could have been stopped, and I'm coming up blank. There are scads of laws in place to prevent such things, and he broke every one of them. Most hotel casinos require firearms to be checked. They don't allow guests to take them to their rooms. There are certain places where even CCW holders are not allowed to carry. Casinos are one such, as are federal buildings, banks, and anyplace posted no firearms. Hospitals and doctors offices come to mind.


And this cretin brought in enough firepower to equip a forward deployed combat unit into a hotel casino. Laws,rules, and most importantly with no sense of anything resembling a conscience all figured in. This venue was made up off mostly quite young people, just kids really. Young people just having a good time. What would motivate someone to open fire on a crowd like this with no incentive other than to just kill I just can't fathom. That all these weapons were supposedly purchased legally doesn't quite ring true to me. I heard it said he bought them in several different states. That can't be. One must be a resident to buy a firearm in a particular state. I can't walk into a gun store in Utah with my NV ID and buy a firearm. As the investigation progresses, it may turn up some straw purchases.


And the money this guy was throwing around? We're talking serious cash assets here. He doesn't fit the profile of someone who got that rich on pure talent. I would be very interested to know where he got his hands on cash resources like that. There doesn't seem to be a terrorist connection, drug cartels or any such organizational affiliation. But man! This guy had some serious cash at his disposal. I believe I'd be looking at that aspect very closely. He wired another 100 grand to his wife in the PI prior to heading out on his....mission, he had well over another 100 grand worth of hardware,that kind of cash doesn't grow on trees. Following the money here might very well turn up some interesting facts behind this.


There's way more involved here than just an issue of gun laws and types of firearms. Yea, it's a great excuse to start yacking about gun control, but there's a way deeper issue here somewhere.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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It's a problem, isn't it? 47 guns purchased but no way to evaluate whether the purchaser is of sound mind. Yet a drivers license requires an eye test at origination and at every renewal. 47 guns and no flags anywhere because we just don't want to know.
Let's examine that a little closer, shall we?

You can buy all the cars you want without ever getting a driver's license, or registering those cars. You need a license & registration if you want to operate them on public roads.
Ownership of an item should not be regulated. Using it to cause harm or death should be, and is.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: PSL
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an axe? dude, you woulda been a casualty.
It would have stalled his continuity of fire and concentration on the crowd below wouldn't it?

Would have done more for those below to get out of that situation if a distraction presented itself and done more for the innocent than the ideas currently floating around of TSA style check ins and running presidential inauguration type security for entertainment events now wouldn't it?

The feeble seek the actions of others to be protected.

I used to run into burning buildings at 18-26 which also could have resulted in being very dead too.

You wanted an answer I gave you one. Don't like it. Ohwell.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I've been saying this for years and so have others. Its the leftists that don't want guns in schools. California just passed a bill a while ago banning guns in schools.

It wouldn't cost too much more to have schools and theatres etc have armed security/off duty police/ retired police , be present when people are there
About 27% of LE have fired their weapon during their careers.

Being armed does not imply skill.

Being armed creates a false sense of security against someone with more fire power, more skill, in a better position and/ or who intends to die.

Paddock had no Plan B. He expected to go down with the ship. Seems to be a rather common profile for mass shooters.

Maybe heavily- armed, highly- skilled, multiple security on the roof of Sandy Hook could have prevented the massacre that occured inside the school. It's the type of protection afforded to minor children of Presidents attending private schools. The Federal Government picks up the tab.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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arm all concert goers with high-powered, tactical weapons...the Lord helps those that help themselves
What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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We don't need such a law. All pyromaniacs DO have a right to buy matches. What they DON'T have the right to do is use those matches to set afire things that do not belong to them, or to set fires that can hurt people.
Buying a gun is not, and should not be, illegal.
Shooting someone for a reason other than defense is, and should be, illegal.
Just as all alcoholics have the right to buy more booze to potentially drink and drive killing/maiming others etc etc etc.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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You know. We are probably one step from screening devices in hotels. Walk thru the radar before you can check in. This will be the natural evolution. If you do not think so did you imagine 10 years ago needing to remove your shoes before getting a plane?
I think more like EVERY public place, from a football stadium to the corner store. Some company will make billions by coming up with a cheaper more affordable equipment for Joe Public, and who knows, people may get them for their own homes.
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