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Old 10-11-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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There were apparently more police on the floor than the four who stormed the room. I believe it has been said the floor was cleared by police with the wounded security guard who hung in there with a bullet in his leg. He was apparently eventually forced by others present to seek medical attention for his wound. Recent articles say he has been released from the hospital but will need the bullet in his leg removed later.

Riskiest thing for MGM I would think is when the shooting on 32 was transmitted to the police. Got to be a half billion riding on that question.

For those unaware of Las Vegas strip protocols all the video MGM has is readily available to the police. The bogeyman who enforces all that is the gaming commission. And that commissioned is bound and determined to prevent anything from besmirching the reputation of LV gambling halls. The have a huge stick. Shut you down instantly on suspicion.
It's not clear if the guard reported his injury to anyone.

At some point an engineer had been dispatched from a higher floor to tend to a fire door on 32. He had no idea what he was walking into. He encountered the wounded security guard who reportedly told him to seek cover. The engineer alerted hotel security and told them to call the Police. Reportedly the engineer, the security guard and Police cleared the floor.

Media is reporting there are over 200 videos of the shooter in public areas of the hotel. He is alone in each of them.

Then there's an unconfirmed report that a bellman used a freight elevator to transport some stuff to the shooter's room.

Even if the guard immediately reported being shot and the hotel immediately called 911, there was not enough time to stop the shooter from executing his plan. There was uncertainty of the source of the gunfire, Luxor vs Mandalay. There was uncertainty which floor. Some officers were tending the wounded while others were focused on the source of shooting. It's not like there is a professional swat team in every hotel on the strip. As it was, the defacto team contained only one trained swat officer.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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They just reported 19 minutes, not 7, and reported that someone broke into his house in Reno and they don't know what has been stolen...
Who is " they" and what is the significance of 19minutes? Was there another update to the timeline?

The break in at the shooter's Reno house happened over the weekend. A neighbor noticed a light left on and called the Police who called the FBI. Reportedly nothing was disturbed or taken.

Who knows ? Maybe someone filmed the place in hopes of selling it to media known to pay for leaked pictures/ video. No questions asked.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It's not clear if the guard reported his injury to anyone.

At some point an engineer had been dispatched from a higher floor to tend to a fire door on 32. He had no idea what he was walking into. He encountered the wounded security guard who reportedly told him to seek cover. The engineer alerted hotel security and told them to call the Police. Reportedly the engineer, the security guard and Police cleared the floor.

Media is reporting there are over 200 videos of the shooter in public areas of the hotel. He is alone in each of them.

Then there's an unconfirmed report that a bellman used a freight elevator to transport some stuff to the shooter's room.

Even if the guard immediately reported being shot and the hotel immediately called 911, there was not enough time to stop the shooter from executing his plan. There was uncertainty of the source of the gunfire, Luxor vs Mandalay. There was uncertainty which floor. Some officers were tending the wounded while others were focused on the source of shooting. It's not like there is a professional swat team in every hotel on the strip. As it was, the defacto team contained only one trained swat officer.
Think you are getting it a little backwards. As it worked there was not time to stop the killer. But could there have been? If MGM staff alerted police almost immediately to the fact of a shooter on the 32nd floor they are likely clear. If however MGM did not alert the Police you now have a situation certain to be exploited by the Attorneys for the dead and wounded and you have to defeat their "might have been" scenarios...before a jury.

This is not a battle for truth. It is a battle to get at a deep pocketed source. And it may have happened.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:18 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Think you are getting it a little backwards. As it worked there was not time to stop the killer. But could there have been? If MGM staff alerted police almost immediately to the fact of a shooter on the 32nd floor they are likely clear. If however MGM did not alert the Police you now have a situation certain to be exploited by the Attorneys for the dead and wounded and you have to defeat their "might have been" scenarios...before a jury.

This is not a battle for truth. It is a battle to get at a deep pocketed source. And it may have happened.
The clip that was played for an active shooter happened before he engaged the crowd when he was firing in the hallway at the engineer and at the security guard. You could hear him shooting in the background.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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The clip that was played for an active shooter happened before he engaged the crowd when he was firing in the hallway at the engineer and at the security guard. You could hear him shooting in the background.
that has already been widely reported
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Think you are getting it a little backwards. As it worked there was not time to stop the killer. But could there have been? If MGM staff alerted police almost immediately to the fact of a shooter on the 32nd floor they are likely clear. If however MGM did not alert the Police you now have a situation certain to be exploited by the Attorneys for the dead and wounded and you have to defeat their "might have been" scenarios...before a jury.

This is not a battle for truth. It is a battle to get at a deep pocketed source. And it may have happened.
Various media has been reporting this e ending that ABC is reporting the Mandalay did NOT alert the Police a security guard had been shot. I have not been able to locate the ABC Report.

Mandalay Bay didn't call police when security guard was shot by Stephen Paddock, according to ABC News - Story

You may be onto something here. It's looking like what matters is who is going to pay.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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Various media has been reporting this e ending that ABC is reporting the Mandalay did NOT alert the Police a security guard had been shot. I have not been able to locate the ABC Report.

Mandalay Bay didn't call police when security guard was shot by Stephen Paddock, according to ABC News - Story

You may be onto something here. It's looking like what matters is who is going to pay.
MGM is going to pay billions on this one. Screw them they have ties to crime anyway
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:27 PM
 
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It's not clear if the guard reported his injury to anyone.

At some point an engineer had been dispatched from a higher floor to tend to a fire door on 32. He had no idea what he was walking into. He encountered the wounded security guard who reportedly told him to seek cover. The engineer alerted hotel security and told them to call the Police. Reportedly the engineer, the security guard and Police cleared the floor.

Media is reporting there are over 200 videos of the shooter in public areas of the hotel. He is alone in each of them.

Then there's an unconfirmed report that a bellman used a freight elevator to transport some stuff to the shooter's room.

Even if the guard immediately reported being shot and the hotel immediately called 911, there was not enough time to stop the shooter from executing his plan. There was uncertainty of the source of the gunfire, Luxor vs Mandalay. There was uncertainty which floor. Some officers were tending the wounded while others were focused on the source of shooting. It's not like there is a professional swat team in every hotel on the strip. As it was, the defacto team contained only one trained swat officer.
Had police been notified that there is a shooter arrangements could have been made to clear out the hotel and the concert
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:49 AM
 
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MGM is going to pay billions on this one. Screw them they have ties to crime anyway
MGM? Did I miss something? (No time to read whole thread)
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:09 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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MGM? Did I miss something? (No time to read whole thread)
They own Mandalay Bay.
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