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Old 10-02-2017, 03:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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In 1789, the Framers decided more people would suffer and die if govt had ANY authority to restrict or take away guns, than if the govt were forbidden to restrict or ban any of them.

Most of the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution, and later added the Bill of Rights, were students of the history of government and the abuses it could inflict. And they knew that government after government had long records of disarming their own people, and then later inflicting serious abuse and oppression on them, sometimes even leading to mass murders of their own subjects.

Our own Revolutionary war started in 1775 at Concord and Lexington, Mass., when soldiers of the British government tried to confiscate privately-owned weapons of the colonists.

And even when we have an event where someone in our country grabs a gun and starts shooting, sometimes killing many innocent people, it remains a fact that there would be a lot MORE innocent people injured or dead if government had the power to take away or restrict our guns and other weapons. How many more potential muggers, rapists, and murderers would decide to commit their crimes if they were sure that nobody in the crowd could possibly have a gun of their own?

Today, far more such crimes are committed in so-called "gun free zone", where there are alws forbidding the carrying of guns in the area. Such laws protect the rapist or murderer from danger, of course, while disarming only the law-abiding.

And yet every time we have a shooting, whether it's in San Bernardino, Columbine High School, Georgia disco, Ft. Hood military base, or now Las Vegas, the same panic-stricken talking heads do their best to throw the baby out with the bath water. They demand we give our government the authority to restrict or ban some or all of our guns.

Now, as floods follow a hurricane, they are doing the same thing again. Don't these people ever learn? Have they ever even bothered examining the reasons why the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution and BOR, decided unanimously to forbid all governments in the U.S. from infringing our right to own and carry guns? Despite their having just as much trouble with nutcases and guns then, as we do now?

If these shortsighted people get their way, we will see a lot more Americans oppressed, injured, and killed that we ever have outside of outright war. And if other governments' actions are anything to go by, our government could yet exceed even that total, if they get even a little authority. Because history also demonstrates that if you give them an inch they will eventually take a mile.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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Liberals are creatures of emotion and knee jerk reactions. Already predictably the strident liberal calls for "sensible or common sense gun control" has issued forth by the usual suspects as well as the professional pretenders. And just as predictably liberals lose all common sense where firearms are concerned.

They will harrumph and pound their chests and vow to "do something" and yet won't be able to do anything because of that pesky little amendment known as the 2nd Amendment.

Eventually they will calm down until the next idiot decides to make a statement using firearms and all of the above will start all over again.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The left sees how authority can abuse the people. They complain about law enforcement, they complain about the Middle East (granted only when a repub is in the White House). But they miss it when it comes to self defense. We give examples like Nazi Germany and Venezuela where government has the guns and they abuse the people. They see guns as bad when it's government that is bad.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:16 PM
JRR
 
Location: Middle Tennessee
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I agree. When things happen like this, we just need to keep quiet and go about our business. As far as the people gunned down, we can tell their family and friends "Sorry for your loss. But look on the bright side; your 2nd Amendment rights are untouched!!"
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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In 1789, the Framers decided more people would suffer and die if govt had ANY authority to restrict or take away guns, than if the govt were forbidden to restrict or ban any of them.

Most of the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution, and later added the Bill of Rights, were students of the history of government and the abuses it could inflict. And they knew that government after government had long records of disarming their own people, and then later inflicting serious abuse and oppression on them, sometimes even leading to mass murders of their own subjects.

Our own Revolutionary war started in 1775 at Concord and Lexington, Mass., when soldiers of the British government tried to confiscate privately-owned weapons of the colonists.

And even when we have an event where someone in our country grabs a gun and starts shooting, sometimes killing many innocent people, it remains a fact that there would be a lot MORE innocent people injured or dead if government had the power to take away or restrict our guns and other weapons. How many more potential muggers, rapists, and murderers would decide to commit their crimes if they were sure that nobody in the crowd could possibly have a gun of their own?

Today, far more such crimes are committed in so-called "gun free zone", where there are alws forbidding the carrying of guns in the area. Such laws protect the rapist or murderer from danger, of course, while disarming only the law-abiding.

And yet every time we have a shooting, whether it's in San Bernardino, Columbine High School, Georgia disco, Ft. Hood military base, or now Las Vegas, the same panic-stricken talking heads do their best to throw the baby out with the bath water. They demand we give our government the authority to restrict or ban some or all of our guns.

Now, as floods follow a hurricane, they are doing the same thing again. Don't these people ever learn? Have they ever even bothered examining the reasons why the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution and BOR, decided unanimously to forbid all governments in the U.S. from infringing our right to own and carry guns? Despite their having just as much trouble with nutcases and guns then, as we do now?

If these shortsighted people get their way, we will see a lot more Americans oppressed, injured, and killed that we ever have outside of outright war. And if other governments' actions are anything to go by, our government could yet exceed even that total, if they get even a little authority. Because history also demonstrates that if you give them an inch they will eventually take a mile.
What's that excuse that Conservatives always throw out when we try to compare America to any of our western peer nations? Something about how you can never make that comparison bc of the culture/population/value/etc difference...

So how about we treat the founding fathers the same, what with their 3M people, flintlock pistols, muskets, and peurile understanding of who deserved access to natural rights?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A few things have changed in the last 250 years but don't stop being paranoid, it gives you a reason to keep those guns. Keep living like it's 1775 and the opressive government is coming for you.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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The left sees how authority can abuse the people. They complain about law enforcement, they complain about the Middle East (granted only when a repub is in the White House). But they miss it when it comes to self defense. We give examples like Nazi Germany and Venezuela where government has the guns and they abuse the people. They see guns as bad when it's government that is bad.
To play devil's advocate - in Nazi Germany the military took an oath of loyalty to Hitler and their government didn't have checks and balances.

Our military takes an oath to preserve and defend a Constitution, which contains checks and balances within the government.

I think our military is less likely to turn on "THE PEOPLE" than the one in Nazi Germany.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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It ain't the late 18th century anymore.....

And no, more crimes aren't in gun free zones..... that's a big lie.

Have you ever considered that life in the late 18th century isn't the same as early 21st century?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I agree. When things happen like this, we just need to keep quiet and go about our business. As far as the people gunned down, we can tell their family and friends "Sorry for your loss. But look on the bright side; your 2nd Amendment rights are untouched!!"
Would you rather have the alternative?

"Sorry for your loss. And now we've enacted legislation which we claim will "do something" and make you feel better. But actually all it will do is restrict the people who obey laws, which this shooter wasn't one. The new laws wouldn't have stopped him, any more than it will stop the next clever madman.

"But we're looking on our own bright side: Your 2nd amendment rights are significantly reduced. We can hardly wait until the next murderer knocks 50 more of you off (as we sit safely in our own walled and gated communities with armed guards at the entrances), and then we can enact even more gun restrictions that will restrict you more than they restrict the criminals, it won't be long before we've taken all your rights away!"

I thought so.
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Old 10-02-2017, 05:00 PM
 
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A few things have changed in the last 250 years but don't stop being paranoid, it gives you a reason to keep those guns. Keep living like it's 1775 and the opressive government is coming for you.
Paranoid? lol Have you seen what our govt does to people in other countries? Americans need to own guns.
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