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Old 10-03-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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None. There may have been less.

I'll give a quick run down on how a suppressor works.

Suppressors act as a muffler. They trap the gasses spent behind the projectile to bring the decibel rating down to a hearing safe level.
The quieter the level and more efficient the suppressor is... the hotter and dirtier a semi or fully automatic weapon will run.

A standard run of the mill carbine AR gas system, which is direct impingement system, utilizes the front sight base as a gas block to route some of the gases from combustion through a gas tube which goes back to the upper receiver to drive the bolt carrier group rearward to eject the spent cartridge and the buffer and spring push the bolt carrier forward grabbing the next cartridge in the magazine.

What happens when you throw a can on an AR? You increase the back pressure, increases the gases and carbon fouling back to the bolt. The faster you shoot the quicker things get dirty. Inducing failure to cycle.

What a suppressor does not do. Is eliminate the sonic boom, the crack of the projectile down range.

In a 16 inch upper. A2 front sight post with a run of the mill 223/5.56 suppressor that thing still goes Boom. Just not deafening boom.

When you run the gun at a faster rate. Halfway through the 4th magazine the gun failed to function. The first failure was a short stroke. The bolt didn't get enough gas from a build up of carbon residue to strip a round out of the magazine. It didn't cycle back fully.
Manually cycle the next round. It managed to cycle. Stripping the next round just fine. Following shot stove pipe. The bolt didn't travel fully rearward and the buffer and spring slammed the bolt carrier home on the spent case. Gun jammed.

I needed a can of brake clean to clean out the gas tube and gas block/front sight post. The carbon fouling was so heavy on the bolt carrier and in the upper receiver it needed to be cleaned. In between the upper an lower receivers was heavy amount of carbon fouling.

In this case. The shooter would have taken himself out with a self induced failure with a suppressor. Especially an effective one that would make the muzzle report quieter. Less rounds down range.

The same thing happens with AK long piston system. The gas block fouls with carbon and the firearm fails to cycle.
Very good explanation of how a suppressor works - Thank you.

I gather that IF the LV Shooter had been using a suppressor - the death count would be much lower.
The silly Leftists are 'triggered' by a Pop-Tart and 4 year old bites and they become totally Hysterical about anything "gun", with no concept of reality.

You will melt the barrel of a semi-or full auto, with constant fire, using a suppressor.

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Unless both the rifle and the suppressor were specially made, they would melt during that kind of firing rate. A normal AR-15 is not a machine gun that can sustain continuous fire. Even a machine gun would melt.

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In this case. The shooter would have taken himself out with a self induced failure with a suppressor. Especially an effective one that would make the muzzle report quieter. Less rounds down range.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The hateful propaganda stirring up emotions are what should be curtailed. The over the top inciteful words of hate coming over the media and internet is the driving force of HATE and that hate is turned into action. It is NOT THE GUNS!.

It is always the insane progressive socialist, that feel society has wronged them in someway, and they have to kill the bad guys for the cause.
This was a planned targeting of conservative Trump voters and supporters, because they are deplorable nasty NAZI's the lamestream media has told you to hate and kill.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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I am not anti-gun but could someone explain the need for silencer legislation to me
There is money to be made, and congress has it's marching orders.
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Here is what the sponsor said

Duncan argues that silencers are used by hunters and target shooters to limit potential hearing loss from gunfire. Duncan introduced a stand-alone silencer bill, dubbed the “Hearing Protection Act," in January. That legislation currently has 160 co-sponsors, including several

Could a silencer be used on the weapons used in the LV massacre. If so how many more victims would there have been
The silencer disperses the sound so that prey (and responders) will have less ability to determine from which direction the gunshots are coming.

I can just imagine if that crowd was shooting back at the gunman, 'standing their ground' blowing out windows all over the hotel.

It boggles the mind.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A conservative may kill and individual that was oppressing them in some fashion.
A progressive will kill thousands if not millions, for the cause.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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A conservative may kill and individual that was oppressing them in some fashion.
A progressive will kill thousands if not millions, for the cause.
In your dreams.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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There are definity some wack job theories out there.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:27 AM
 
Location: PSL
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There is money to be made, and congress has it's marching orders.
The silencer disperses the sound so that prey (and responders) will have less ability to determine from which direction the gunshots are coming.

I can just imagine if that crowd was shooting back at the gunman, 'standing their ground' blowing out windows all over the hotel.

It boggles the mind.
They had a tough time finding the shooter as it was. Urban environment sonic boom/crack of the rounds incomming, followed by the muzzle blast, followed by the Echos, which gave the false impression of multiple eye witness accounts (my cousin who was there was one) of multiple active shooters. When Soundwaves of the report echo off of nearby buildings objects cars alley ways... you do not know which direction the incoming fire is coming from. It's difficult to pinpoint, rural environment a field a forest a valley a mountain is much easier to pinpoint where the firing is coming from. More open. You'd still get the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Unless subsonic ammo is used. In which case this would have been far less deadly. Subsonic rounds can't go the distance nor bring the kinetic energy to pierce and mangle at distance.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I would have loved if all the guns on the range Monday had silencers. Even with ear protection my ears were ringing after we left. Should they be legal for the general public? I'd say no. It would be nice to rent one at the range and have it stay on the range. Hunters in the field don't shoot non stop do they? Ear protection should be enough. I have to agree with EvilEyeFleegle with regard to the hunters needing to hear gunfire in the area. How many more accidents may happen if guns were quieter? I love going to the range buts it's really noisy, even with ear protection.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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I would have loved if all the guns on the range Monday had silencers. Even with ear protection my ears were ringing after we left. Should they be legal for the general public? I'd say no. It would be nice to rent one at the range and have it stay on the range.
That ^^^ is an awesome idea.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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All we know is when this bill gets close to passing, there's a shooting that seems planned to prevent it.
I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but who's going to take all those guns away from the federal government?
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