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Old 10-06-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, in this specific scenario it DID matter.

Given the rate of fire employed by the attacker, multiple weapons were need to sustain a constant volume of fire due to the need to switch between rifles so that the barrels wouldn't overheat.

How would the results have been different if he'd only had two rifles up in his room? We'll never know.
Within the ten minutes, he could've switched between the two guns and would've been fine.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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The guy had ammonia nitrate at his residence. He also wasn't a stupid guy. As messed up as it sounds, the shooting was a blessing compared to what would have happened had he gone that route.

Imagine if he would have crashed a truck full of that stuff into that crowd or the hotel lobby and detonated it. It would have probably been worse than the Oklahoma City bombing.

The thing that makes this so terrifying is this guy by all means seems pretty normal so far. If everything is as it appears, you really can't stop something like this. An intelligent person with both the ability and will to kill a large amount of people is going to kill a large amount of people.

Scary stuff, but that's reality.
He also reportedly had tannerite like the guy who was caught at the LA gay pride parade (James Wesley Howell). There is a lot of strange "news" surrounding that guy and Omar Matten. There are people who look for government conspiracies in everything, which is understandable given the media and the government is selling fake conspiracies like the FBI's NYC plot as real.
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Old 10-06-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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Reports seem to point to him being on anti depressants which seems to be a common thread among mass shooters. Also his vociferous gambling addiction might have led him to want to somehow even the score with the casinos. He was also apparently a raging alcoholic. Who knows if the combination of all of this pushed him over the edge.
Of course it does because they need to blame it on something. And here you keep the stigma going. Millions are on antidepressants yet they don't preform this kind of mayhem. Please stop blaming anti depressants because of one person
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Clark County Sheriff's Dept is now reporting that gunman fired through his door at the security guard six minutes before opening fire on the concert attendees below. What the security guard did and who he informed and how they responded will be interesting and could open the door to negligence lawsuits to follow.


also haven't seen this reported until now....

Campos had been investigating an alarm that went off in another room on the same floor, signaling that a door had been left open, Lombardo said. Once there, the guard heard a drilling sound in Paddock's room, and he was then shot through the door.
The gunman had been drilling into the adjacent wall to the doorway, according to Lombardo. His assumption was that Paddock intended to place either a camera or a rifle there, but the drilling was not completed, Lombardo said.



Police don't know why Las Vegas gunman fired -- or why he stopped - CNN
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Old 10-10-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Within the ten minutes, he could've switched between the two guns and would've been fine.
And sustained the same volume of fire? I doubt that. What if one of the two jammed? Hot barrels can cause that, too.


You got any data to back up your claim or you just making a guess?
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And sustained the same volume of fire? I doubt that. What if one of the two jammed? Hot barrels can cause that, too.
Apparently none so that takes care of that problem

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You got any data to back up your claim or you just making a guess?
The fact that I believe they onky found two rifkes with bump stocks kinda proves my point.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Apparently none so that takes care of that problem


The fact that I believe they onky found two rifkes with bump stocks kinda proves my point.
not a fact, 12 of the weapons had bump stocks installed

Bump stock: The device found on Las Vegas shooter's guns - CNN
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:57 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I know this is the political forum. I know this opens our discussions up to immature, bias and insulting responses. I am asking each of you that responds to put politics aside and offer unfiltered, non-political feelings. I ask the mods to allow for this honest discussion, but not allow trolling.

My honest feelings.

I consider myself right-leaning economically, left-leaning socially. I am pro-2nd Amendment. I own multiple handguns and long-rifles, 1000's of rounds of ammo, and my family has basic firearms training to defend themselves. I also enjoy shooting for sport (target practice), but I don't hunt. And am I am vehemently against hunting for sport. I have an allergy to deer meat so I feel no need to kill an animal for trophy. I am not alone.

In every instance of gun violence, mass shootings, terrorism, etc, I look for instances to differentiate me from the violent actor. In every instance, it was easy to do so.

Until now.

I told my wife tonight.., Paddock has shown no indication that he would be a mass-murderer. This is the first occasion that I can draw parallels with a shooter. And it concerns me. I am troubled. I am hurting for other's losses.

I pray to God that information comes available that separates Paddock from me and the many, many responsible gun owners I know.

I've been involved in shooting and owned guns my whole life. I have never had any problem, even now , differentiating myself from nut cases like the Vegas shooter. I just know in my heart that shooting down innocent people is not in my nature , and there is nothing that could motivate me to act thus. There has been one specific case where someone caused a dearest loved one serious harm, and still the thought of placing a bullet between his eyes lives in my mind. I know I could do so without a twinge of conscience as well. But I didn't. I let the "justice system" take its course.


But those feelings and thoughts have nothing to do with my owning firearms. I would still have them were I not a gun owner. I could as easily, a with more pleasure, dispense real justice upon this vermin with a base ball bat. But in this I also have understandable motive to desire to inflict harm on someone, as he inflicted harm on someone I loved with all my heart. I truly cannot fathom any motive that would see me turning lethal force on a huge crowd of innocents.


The investigation will turn up something. I have no doubt.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Of course it does because they need to blame it on something. And here you keep the stigma going. Millions are on antidepressants yet they don't preform this kind of mayhem. Please stop blaming anti depressants because of one person
10's of millions of Americans own guns and don't go on to commit mayhem, Please stop blaming guns because of one person.


RR
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I know this is the political forum. I know this opens our discussions up to immature, bias and insulting responses. I am asking each of you that responds to put politics aside and offer unfiltered, non-political feelings. I ask the mods to allow for this honest discussion, but not allow trolling.

My honest feelings.

I consider myself right-leaning economically, left-leaning socially. I am pro-2nd Amendment. I own multiple handguns and long-rifles, 1000's of rounds of ammo, and my family has basic firearms training to defend themselves. I also enjoy shooting for sport (target practice), but I don't hunt. And am I am vehemently against hunting for sport. I have an allergy to deer meat so I feel no need to kill an animal for trophy. I am not alone.

In every instance of gun violence, mass shootings, terrorism, etc, I look for instances to differentiate me from the violent actor. In every instance, it was easy to do so.

Until now.

I told my wife tonight.., Paddock has shown no indication that he would be a mass-murderer. This is the first occasion that I can draw parallels with a shooter. And it concerns me. I am troubled. I am hurting for other's losses.

I pray to God that information comes available that separates Paddock from me and the many, many responsible gun owners I know.
You're basing this on one incident while ignoring the plethora of law abiding gun owners?
You don't need to pray to God next time just ask me.
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