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Old 10-04-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Exactly. Only in a thoroughly corrupt administration could one have 0 corruption convictions.
Leftists love corruption from their masters. It's how they get all their freebies and special interest policies shoved through. Leftists protect Democrat corruption just like the useful idiots in the SU did.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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Exactly. Only in a thoroughly corrupt administration could one have 0 corruption convictions.
lol that bizzaro world logic....
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Sessions stated he had no communication with Russians while under oath in Senate hearing.
You can only arrive at that conclusion if take the question out of context. Furthermore these meetings for lack of better term is something every Congressman engages in during their time in office where they meet hundreds or even thousands of people like this in a year. This isn't some back door closed meeting but social events. Sessions has characterized them as "how you doing, nice to see you". There is nothing to suggest otherwise, you are trying to make a mountain out of molehill.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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Leftists love corruption from their masters. It's how they get all their freebies and special interest policies shoved through. Leftists protect Democrat corruption just like the useful idiots in the SU did.


so why hasn't anyone from Obama admin been thrown in jail in last 8 months? What happened to Hillary? Lock her UP right? Oh wait, it's the deep state to blame.....


I wonder if you'll ever realize how much you swallowed the lie?
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

To get the lower level people to sing, you need both a carrot and a stick. A Presidential pardon prevents the typical law enforcement technique used in mob cases that take out the small fish to land the big catch. However, it looks like state prosecution might allow an end around the pardon.


Let us recall that if a person is called before a Congressional committee (or grand jury, etc.), said individual may invoke the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.


However, if said individual is granted immunity, or a Presidential Pardon, the individual can no longer invoke the Fifth Amendment.


If the individual continues to refuse to testify, they can then be held in contempt, and jailed until they wish to testify.


I have spoken of this in another thread, when certain individuals opined that Mr. Trump would start to hand out Presidential Pardons to various members of his group. He may, but it is a double-edged sword.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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Presidential pardons are absolute, and they apply to any crime federal or state.
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Article 2, sec. 2: "he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
I believe you missed the point, the presidential pardon applies only for offenses against the United States, not offenses against an individual state.

The clause that you cited, in it's entirety:
(Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1) The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Note that the authors of the Constitution explicitly used the term 'United States' as well as the term 'several States' - the former is a reference to the federal government and the latter is a reference to the various state governments.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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You can only arrive at that conclusion if take the question out of context. Furthermore these meetings for lack of better term is something every Congressman engages in during their time in office where they meet hundreds or even thousands of people like this in a year. This isn't some back door closed meeting but social events. Sessions has characterized them as "how you doing, nice to see you". There is nothing to suggest otherwise, you are trying to make a mountain out of molehill.
You have been misinformed.

Sessions met privately in his office with Kislyak. Sessions stated that he couldn't recall what they talked about but he was certain it was all on the up and up.



He also stated that he met privately with Kislyak as he was a member of the Armed Service Committee and this was a common practice.

It is not. The other members of the committee denied that private meetings with Russians was a common practice.

Also, why would a member of the Armed Services Committee need to meet privately with Russian spies?
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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An investigation in search of a crime. What if they uncover the Hillary campaign's crimes instead? Since everyone on Mueller's team used to be affiliated with the Clintons, I'm sure we can guess...
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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Let us recall that if a person is called before a Congressional committee (or grand jury, etc.), said individual may invoke the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.


However, if said individual is granted immunity, or a Presidential Pardon, the individual can no longer invoke the Fifth Amendment.


If the individual continues to refuse to testify, they can then be held in contempt, and jailed until they wish to testify.


I have spoken of this in another thread, when certain individuals opined that Mr. Trump would start to hand out Presidential Pardons to various members of his group. He may, but it is a double-edged sword.
Remember when Rogers and Coats refused to answer the Senate Intelligence Committee?

"Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, NSA Director Mike Rogers and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats repeatedly stonewalled when asked about news reports that Trump asked each of them to downplay or refute the FBI’s probe, which is examining whether Trump’s associates colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election."

Coats and Rogers refuse to say if Trump asked them to sway Russia probe - POLITICO
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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An investigation in search of a crime. What if they uncover the Hillary campaign's crimes instead? Since everyone on Mueller's team used to be affiliated with the Clintons, I'm sure we can guess...

Team Mueller is looking into Russian interference in the election, what happened, and who all was involved.

Your insinuation that Clinton was involved in rigging the election against herself is delusional nonsense.
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