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Old 10-05-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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One of the issues New Zealand had with the now stalled TPPA negotiations, was the price of imported medicine. The issue that the US negotiators had with NZ, was a single buying agency -supposedly, negotiating a cheaper rate through bulk purchase, equals anti-competition.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Really?

Neither Canada nor Japan cracked the top 10, and the United States finished a dismal 35th, according to a much anticipated ranking of healthcare quality in 195 countries, released Friday.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-...ealthcare.html

and exactly how do they rank those countries....on a few VAGUE things

life expectancy= life style and genetics...... health care has very little impact

infant mortality= every country is different on how the measure that. to include still births....and on top of that the USA has a high teen pregnancy rating, which leads to a higher infant mortality ....... more about education than health care

oh and the best one...does the country have a UHC of sometype....if they don't, worse ranking.



so using those crappy variables, of course the USA ranks 35th





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Old 10-05-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I guess it depends on what you value.

Access for some who can afford it or access for all no matter who can afford it.

You're right. It costs a lot of money. But so do many other government programs. Like NASA. And we were very successful for a long time with that program. Oh and even though their budget was very high, it was still less than 1% of the entire federal budget.

Again, it depends on what one prioritizes.
but everyone does already have ACCESS to health care...its called a doctor


why don't you people be honest..you are talking about who will pay you bill...ie greed
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In Canada we are told this:

1) Prices are higher in the US because there are zero cost controls in place and no oversight from anywhere, they charge whatever they like, no rhyme or reason.

2) Drug prices are low here because the government is the buyer and buys in bulk, so the Canadian government dictates what the pharmas can charge them. Buying power.
what you are told, is not exactly the truth


prices are higher here, because of the government and its red tape
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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what you are told, is not exactly the truth

prices are higher here, because of the government and its red tape
What red tape specifically?
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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There is a drug called Mesalamine, also known as Mesalazine, used in the treatment of Crohns and ulcerative colitis, as well as other things. I investigated it as a possibility for my husband's condition. He is currently seeing a US doctor who said it might be worth a try but that it was costly.

I made a few phone calls and discovered that 30 x 1g capsules would cost a whopping $1,089 in US pharmacies. Completely unaffordable but I thought it might be worth checking to see how much it was in Canada, because we are Canadian and live in Canada.

I am not making this up - same product made by the same manufacturer. The cost here for the same doseage, is USD $60. Yes, sixty dollars.

$60 in Canada versus $1,089 in the US. Someone is getting very rich. Why are Americans being gouged in this way, though?
Because of patent laws.

And patent laws are the way they are, because the legislature is owned by corporations, who own the patents.

Some of these patents are on drugs that have been around for 100+ years, as well, so it's not about recouping costs, it's pure greed.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:49 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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QUOTE=PedroMartinez;49727538]Because we don't have a law that drugs can't be sold in the US for more than any other country.

We subsidize drugs in other countries. Pass that law and our costs drop dramatically.

Why wasn't that in the ACA?[/QUOTE]
here is a good article that addresses that question, if you care to read it.

disclaimer: I have no idea if Politico is right or left or neutral.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RuNXmTXPJ_Q574
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:22 PM
 
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Probably because the US is subsidizing the people in countries whose governments price-capped the drug.
We are not subsidizing anybody. We are getting ripped off..
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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We are not subsidizing anybody. We are getting ripped off..
BINGO! Drug companies spend a fraction on research of new drugs compared to what they spend on marketing, lobbying, political contributions and outright backhanders to doctors.

You're getting ripped off and it's got fugg all to do with those other countries whose governments are funding research and development of things like a workable Ebola vaccine .

How come that one wasn't developed in the U.S. .......easy peazy.....the profits would be limited by the required necessity and compassionate underpinnings demanding it's cost to those countries most likely to be afflicted be affordable. Hello.

In other words....U.S. drug makers couldn't rip Americans off as they would more than likely never be the ones to need the vaccine. Get it?
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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It costs millions (or billions) to develop new drugs. Most of that development is done in America by American companies, and first sold to US consumers. For better or worse, we pay the bulk of that development cost...and once again the American taxpayer subsidizes the rest of the world. Really though, what do we need all these new drugs for? Seems like people are getting sicker and more dependant all the time. Aspirin, Tums and penicillin should be plenty.
Drug development is done worldwide. US drug companies do the actual development in North America and Europe, and European drug companies develop in Europe and North America. US companies buy out and merge with European, European do this to US companies, and even the Canadians are in on it.

For instance, Viagra is made by Pfizer, a US company, but it was actually developed in the Pfizer labs in the UK, a country will full-on socialized healthcare.

Drug development is a lot like the car industry, you can't pinpoint one location and say "this country is doing more than it's share".
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