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Well, some do. Some want to know what happened here. Things are not adding up.
1) Russia signs military pact with Niger government.
2) Shortly thereafter, Trump inexplicably includes Chad on his latest Travel Ban.
3) Chad reacts to the travel ban by pulling troops out of Niger where they had been, by all reports, an effective force in combating ISIS.
4) US military team gets ambushed and has to be rescued by the French. Sgt. Johnson got left behind.
This looks like more than bad luck.
Trump has been open about passing classified intel to Russian spies and how he can do it as he's President.
Trump is currently declining to impose the Russian sanctions that Congress overwhelmingly passed.
Now we have four honorable men killed and Trump doing his best to create a kerfuffle to divert attention.
So what's going on here?
didn't see your post before posting myself. You did it much better and clearer !
From where i am standing this is exactly the type of situation we will see time and time again while trump is POTUS. He does not work from consensus and does not seek full and considered opinions from traditional sources. There is a reason the WH talks with its various branches before enacting policy. We saw Trump's first attempt at a travel ban result in chaos at airports around the US and gobe, that must have cost billions.
Now we see another Trump travel ban result in the deaths of Americans due to trump's failure to consult and his narcissism.
The nation needs a careful , mindful POTUS not a raging fool
It looks like this was all the result of TRUMP'S gross incompetence!
Trump wanted to push through his MUSLIM ban, and to do so made up arbitrary requirements for nations to meet. When Chad was unable to meet the requirements by the deadline, Trump put them on the ban list without consulting the state department.
Most likely Trump was just wholly ignorant of how much we were Depending on Chad and its Military in the region....
TRUMP put a travel ban on CHAD. As our regional ally and the backbone of operations in the region CHAD was stunned and angry. As a result of TRUMP's gross insult CHAD decided to bring its forces home.
Without CHAD's very effective forces , ISIS was suddenly able to launch attacks, and did so within days.
TRUMP and ONLY TRUMP is to blame for this debacle. It was TRUMPS blind and foolish pursuit of "bans" that led him to placing a really stupid ban on our best Ally in the region.
now we know why Trump is trying to flare up all sorts of stories. Now we know why FOX is cranking up a bunch of distraction stories.
TRUMP just got a bunch of people killed because he does not follow policy. Trump and his staff did not even bother to consult the experts on chad or even the experts in the military who could have told him what would happen if he treated Chad so poorly...
Maddox did outline it pretty well last night - I agree that questions do need answered.
I think we need answers why John McCain and the senate foreign relations committee had not been briefed for two weeks, I would also like to know whether Chads withdrawal put them in danger.
I think we need answers why John McCain and the senate foreign relations committee had not been briefed for two weeks, I would also like to know whether Chads withdrawal put them in danger.
A. They have been briefed.
B. That's not something that can be definitely known.
As I said earlier, it's been only two weeks since the only available witnesses suffered significant trauma. What, do you expect the soldiers to be given a "third degree" in their hospital beds? Do you think they don't have families they want to spend time with? If anything, they should be getting psychological support, not pressured interrogations.
Debriefings for this kind of thing can take days, even weeks of calm sessions. Then that's got to be analyzed and conclusions reached.
Expecting all that to have already happened within in two weeks is absurd, and it speaks more to lurid curiosity and political rhetoric than finding truth and respecting the soldiers.
Especially considering that getting those quick answers has absolutely no bearing on the next military operations. The military can wait for a through investigation--there's no reason everyone else can't wait as well.
It looks like this was all the result of TRUMP'S gross incompetence!
Trump wanted to push through his MUSLIM ban, and to do so made up arbitrary requirements for nations to meet. When Chad was unable to meet the requirements by the deadline, Trump put them on the ban list without consulting the state department.
Most likely Trump was just wholly ignorant of how much we were Depending on Chad and its Military in the region....
TRUMP put a travel ban on CHAD. As our regional ally and the backbone of operations in the region CHAD was stunned and angry. As a result of TRUMP's gross insult CHAD decided to bring its forces home.
Without CHAD's very effective forces , ISIS was suddenly able to launch attacks, and did so within days.
TRUMP and ONLY TRUMP is to blame for this debacle. It was TRUMPS blind and foolish pursuit of "bans" that led him to placing a really stupid ban on our best Ally in the region.
now we know why Trump is trying to flare up all sorts of stories. Now we know why FOX is cranking up a bunch of distraction stories.
TRUMP just got a bunch of people killed because he does not follow policy. Trump and his staff did not even bother to consult the experts on chad or even the experts in the military who could have told him what would happen if he treated Chad so poorly...
You made this up. As if no one is going to brief the president on whats going on in that area as well as who is in that area and why.
How about follow the Constitution and quit sacrificing the lives of our military personnel over something which has nothing to do with protecting our borders? Americans don't die that way.
But last month, tRump suddenly decided that he'd put Chad on his travel ban list. It was never mentioned in his prior two Muslim ban flops. But since then, Chad has withdrawn its support of our guys in that theater, understandably enough.
So, why would tRump do something so patently stupid and hazardous to that anti-terror mission?
A. They have been briefed.
B. That's not something that can be definitely known.
As I said earlier, it's been only two weeks since the only available witnesses suffered significant trauma. What, do you expect the soldiers to be given a "third degree" in their hospital beds? Do you think they don't have families they want to spend time with? If anything, they should be getting psychological support, not pressured interrogations.
Debriefings for this kind of thing can take days, even weeks of calm sessions. Then that's got to be analyzed and conclusions reached.
Expecting all that to have already happened within in two weeks is absurd, and it speaks more to lurid curiosity and political rhetoric than finding truth and respecting the soldiers.
Especially considering that getting those quick answers has absolutely no bearing on the next military operations. The military can wait for a through investigation--there's no reason everyone else can't wait as well.
McCain is now threatening to issue a subpoena to get answers, I would say that is unusual and indicates they have not been briefed. I can understand that some people that have answers may be incapacitated but it seems like 2 weeks is still good deal of time. They should at least be able to answer some basic questions at this point and they don't need them to speak to the issue with Chad. Seems like undermining one of our greatest allies in the region is worthy of discussion.
McCain is now threatening to issue a subpoena to get answers, I would say that is unusual and indicates they have not been briefed. I can understand that some people that have answers may be incapacitated but it seems like 2 weeks is still good deal of time. They should at least be able to answer some basic questions at this point and they don't need them to speak to the issue with Chad. Seems like undermining one of our greatest allies in the region is worthy of discussion.
You've never been in a jungle firefight, have you? Haven't seen close comrades with their bodies splattered right in front of you, have you? Haven't actually believed in your guts that you'd never see your loved ones again, have you?
Never did a post-mission debrief with someone who had, have you?
Never been threatened during a post-mission debrief when you tried for that one last question too many, have you?
Probably have never had a heart-to-heart about it over a beer with someone who had, have you?
You've never been in a jungle firefight, have you? Haven't seen close comrades with their bodies splattered right in front of you, have you? Haven't actually believed in your guts that you'd never see your loved ones again, have you?
Never did a post-mission debrief with someone who had, have you?
Never been threatened during a post-mission debrief when you tried for that one last question too many, have you?
Probably have never had a heart-to-heart about it over a beer with someone who had, have you?
Yes actually have, I am a Vietnam veterans and served in the infantry and saw plenty but you are right I didn’t have post mission debriefs. This is quite different and the questions are fairly basic, not asking for specific details but do one at this point should be able to provide some information. Different time and place by the way information and communication is far superior today than 50 years ago, Two weeks is an eternity even in Africa.
Last edited by Goodnight; 10-20-2017 at 09:06 PM..
Benghazi!??? Obama put the troops in Niger in 2013.!!!
Oh oops! #threadfail!
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Trump's Niger Debacle - Time to Investigate
