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Simple. Homelessness. Started under Reagan yet I have never seen a conservative own up to it.
hold on there hoss. the changes that occurred under Reagan were the result of liberal activists seeking to extend the constitutional rights of the mentally ill.
On June 6th, 1978, nearly two-thirds of California's voters passed Proposition 13, reducing property tax rates on homes, businesses and farms by about 57%. Prior to Proposition 13, the property tax rate throughout California averaged a little less than 3% of market value.
Property owners received a hefty reduction of property taxes . . . unfortunately their landfall closed the mental hospitals leaving patients on their own (many ended up homeless).
Flying on an airplane is not a constitutional right. Buying a firearm is. How about we throw people on the no fly list in prison, No trials, No jury, no rights? Would you be OK with that?
If you wish to strip someone of constitutional rights you need due process of law, The fact that you cannot grasp that makes me think you may be mentally ill, may be you should be stripped of your rights to free speech without a trial, You would be OK with that right.
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No one here is talking about banning guns, but even Heller supported that gun rights can be limited and restricted.
The gun control law at issue in the Heller case was a nearly across-the-board ban in the District of Columbia that also required people to keep any lawfully owned firearms “unloaded and dissembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device” in most situations. It was considered to be the strictest gun control law in the nation. Although the Heller decision adopted the broader, individual-rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, the Court made it clear that the right to possess a gun continues to have a number of significant qualifications or restrictions. The Court indicated that the Second Amendment continues to allow for limits on guns like the following:
Not allowing everyone to possess a gun. The right can be withheld from felons and the mentally ill, for example.
Not allowing guns to be carried everywhere. Laws forbidding people from carrying firearms in "sensitive" places, such as schools and government buildings, remain valid.
Certain restrictions on the sale of guns. Laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of firearms continue to be allowed.
Banning certain types of guns. The Second Amendment does not protect guns that are not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. (The Court endorsed the "the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.'")
It's the Democrats that ruined mental health institutions. THEY are the ones that made sure these people were let loose on the streets with no where to go except jails and that's even too much for them. They just wanted them roaming free left to their own devices. BTW, the Dems had BOTH houses AND POTUS way before the R's recently did. What did they do? Absolutely nothing and they never will.
On June 6th, 1978, nearly two-thirds of California's voters passed Proposition 13, reducing property tax rates on homes, businesses and farms by about 57%. Prior to Proposition 13, the property tax rate throughout California averaged a little less than 3% of market value.
Property owners received a hefty reduction of property taxes . . . unfortunately their landfall closed the mental hospitals leaving patients on their own (many ended up homeless).
No, prop 13 did not result in the closure of mental hospitals.
In 1967, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which went into effect in 1969 and quickly became a national model. Among other things, it prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing. The Governor signed a giving "civil rights" to the mentally ill to be on the street and claimed they'd be better off with community counseling.
The problem is that Reagan never funded the out patient counseling and that was a full 9 years before Prop 13 was passed.
It's the Democrats that ruined mental health institutions. THEY are the ones that made sure these people were let loose on the streets with no where to go except jails and that's even too much for them. They just wanted them roaming free left to their own devices. BTW, the Dems had BOTH houses AND POTUS way before the R's recently did. What did they do? Absolutely nothing and they never will.
Imagine that...all this time I thought Reagan was a Republican
"1967 Reagan signs the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and ends the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. This law is regarded by some as a “patient’s bill of rights”. Sadly, the care outside state hospitals was inadequate. The year after the law goes into effect, a study shows the number of mentally ill people entering San Mateo’s criminal justice system doubles." https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/12/08...lessness-here/
No one here is talking about banning guns, but even Heller supported that gun rights can be limited and restricted.
The gun control law at issue in the Heller case was a nearly across-the-board ban in the District of Columbia that also required people to keep any lawfully owned firearms “unloaded and dissembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device” in most situations. It was considered to be the strictest gun control law in the nation. Although the Heller decision adopted the broader, individual-rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, the Court made it clear that the right to possess a gun continues to have a number of significant qualifications or restrictions. The Court indicated that the Second Amendment continues to allow for limits on guns like the following:
Not allowing everyone to possess a gun. The right can be withheld from felons and the mentally ill, for example.
Not allowing guns to be carried everywhere. Laws forbidding people from carrying firearms in "sensitive" places, such as schools and government buildings, remain valid.
Certain restrictions on the sale of guns. Laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of firearms continue to be allowed.
Banning certain types of guns. The Second Amendment does not protect guns that are not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. (The Court endorsed the "the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.'")
The poster I was replying to wants to restrict gun sale for anyone on the "no fly list", A secretive government list that is implemented without due process. Would you be OK with the Trump administration making a list of citizens that should not be trusted with freedom of speech?
As to the rest of your post... So you agree that the second amendment is already regulated enough, a lot more so than any other right listed in the "Bill of Rights".
No, prop 13 did not result in the closure of mental hospitals.
In 1967, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which went into effect in 1969 and quickly became a national model. Among other things, it prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing. The Governor signed a giving "civil rights" to the mentally ill to be on the street and claimed they'd be better off with community counseling.
The problem is that Reagan never funded the out patient counseling and that was a full 9 years before Prop 13 was passed.
Correct...this was the start of it...and is what enabled Reagan to balance California's budget. He did it by closing what had been the best public mental health system in the country..if not the world....literally tossing mentally ill onto the streets.
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what is their solution for those suffering with mental health issues?
Lock up the left.
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