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Old 10-09-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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We shouldn't let a bunch of uptight tw4ts dictate sex Ed from the 50s be taught today.
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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But they already talk about it even as young as third grade. "So and so is gay'. Do they know what it means? It seems so but perhaps not.
where is the line drawn then? if they are "talking about it" (whatever "it" may be) as young as third grade, maybe we should just start teaching them in first grade classrooms. you know, so they are all wise about all the things there is to know about sexuality before they get to third grade. let's just teach them everything. that way they will know. if johnny or suzy are confused, after learning about the penis goes in the vagina, then they learn a man can have sex with a man, let's make sure that we make it clear to little johnny and suzy where that penis goes. i mean, if we're going to teach them we might as well make sure they know it all. so what if they are only 5 or 6 years old. right?
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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where is the line drawn then? if they are "talking about it" (whatever "it" may be) as young as third grade, maybe we should just start teaching them in first grade classrooms. you know, so they are all wise about all the things there is to know about sexuality before they get to third grade. let's just teach them everything. that way they will know. if johnny or suzy are confused, after learning about the penis goes in the vagina, then they learn a man can have sex with a man, let's make sure that we make it clear to little johnny and suzy where that penis goes. i mean, if we're going to teach them we might as well make sure they know it all. so what if they are only 5 or 6 years old. right?
Weak strawman, 5/6 year old kids are not going through puberty.

While I'm not fond of the transfad (and I believe it has something to do with synthetic estrogen in our environment), sex education in general could be much better than it has been. It's not a coincidence that countries that have little or no sex ed, (and often a stronger emphasis on religion) have much higher rates of poverty and birth rates for young girls than developed nations.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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So when does the op want kids to know about gay and transgender people. Want your kid to be naive about sexuality and learn from it on the playground?
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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By the time I got to sixth grade back in the 60s I had already been molested many times. If I there had been classes in school I might have known what to do instead of keeping quiet like the molesters told me to. In those days, children weren't taught how to protect themselves and there was no support for "survivors" or "victims" of sexual abuse. Abusers were almost always able to have their way because children didn't know to speak up for themselves.

Today we teach children to be alert to predators. That's one reason why these classes are taught at a pre-pubescent age. Another is the increasing early onset of puberty, which is often distressing for those affected.

I think a basic understanding of one's body and how it works is useful for children. I don't get why so many people think that frank talk about sex is a bad thing. The children get such mixed messages that they don't know what to think. Other kids talk or bring things to school to share from their older siblings, so children get exposed, no matter what the adults might like to think. I remember being traumatized by seeing hard-core porn at the age of 9, thanks to a cousin who raided her dad's stash.

It's not a political issue. It's a common sense issue. Common sense tells me that children should be educated for the world in which they live, not the one they pretend exists or the one they think should exist. There are a lot of people with gender identity issues in the world, and many of them are children. What message do they get when they hear adults say that they are abnormal or demonic or worse?
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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Well, let me tell you - nowadays you have to have 'the talk' well before sixth grade. In fact, if you don't have it by second (MAYBE third) ~ your child is going to learn about sex from other students.

Found that one out the hard way.
Agreed. The "party line" is so strong and so pervasive that you have to tell your kids EVERYTHING and repeat it OFTEN. Remember the kids are listening to people telling them basically what you watch on TV all day long. We laugh about it sometimes. They are so angry about pushing the party line that if you kid ignores or asks a clarifying question they can suffer. That's ok. We are going with the crazy idea that there are two sides to every story. These days that's considered racist. Or privilege or whatever word of the month it is. I'm all for everyone and having tolerance for others. When people do not give my kids or me that courtesy then I just ignore them. I would ignore that assignment.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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My parents always said, "if you tell a child NOT to stick a pea up their nose, they will" meaning, they never would have thought about doing it until you gave them the idea. Innocence is valuable, taking it away in the name of "education" is suspect.

I'm not saying don't be educated about 'the birds and the bees', but at an appropriate age. That would be pre-teen in my view, not kindergarten.

And, also, the weird aberrations of sexuality should not be upheld as the NEW NORM. Raising a generation of people who accept perversions as positive expressions of intimacy between two people who LOVE each other is NOT NORMAL. Why is this being forced on us? Whose agenda IS this???
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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So when does the op want kids to know about gay and transgender people. Want your kid to be naive about sexuality and learn from it on the playground?
When your kid is emotionally developed enough to understand it is when you can teach your kids about it.

You need to teach children about sexual predators well before teaching them about lezbos and tranny's.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Well, let me tell you - nowadays you have to have 'the talk' well before sixth grade. In fact, if you don't have it by second (MAYBE third) ~ your child is going to learn about sex from other students.

Found that one out the hard way.

We had the equivalent of a farm at our place, with all the animals and birds we raised. Others in the neighborhood had even more livestock. Farm kids don't need to be told about these things, as they see them everyday. I also learned the fine points, by reading my mother's medical books at age five.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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When your kid is emotionally developed enough to understand it is when you can teach your kids about it.

You need to teach children about sexual predators well before teaching them about lezbos and tranny's.
6 th graders are ready to know about gay and transgender people it’s all around them and on tv.
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