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View Poll Results: If Ronald Reagan were around today, would he be considered a RINO
probably yes 52 69.33%
no not really 23 30.67%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-11-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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Trump is moderate
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I don't think you knew Ronald Reagan. How old are you?
If you're asking me, I am 53 so yes, I was well aware of everything Reagan did while in office.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Let's see ...

- He was in favor of free trade. In fact, NAFTA was, to a large extent, his brain child.
- He was in favor of large-scale immigration, particularly from Mexico and Latin America.
- He granted an amnesty to illegal immigrants

It's tough to say how he would fall on some other issues of today, but probably those issues listed above by themselves would make him be considered a RINO in the eyes of many Trump fans.
uhm...

NAFTA or freetrade was Brzezinski's vision started under carter...

Reagan did NOT want it,
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Reagan stood for the United States maintaining a strong industrial base not only because that translates into good jobs for Americans and an expansion of the middle class. Reagan came from the generation who understood that America’s World War II victory was based on our tremendous manufacturing industry that overnight turned from producing automobiles into military weapons and tractors into tanks.

Reagan signed a Buy America policy for federal highway and transit projects. No way would he have approved building a Keystone XL oil pipeline with steel pipe imported from a Russian-owned mill or a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge assembled from steel sections made in China.

Reagan imposed tariffs on motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson and on electronic products from Japan. Like Alexander Hamilton and Republican Party policy for many decades, Reagan understood that a strong manufacturing base is a major element of America’s greatness, military superiority and prosperity.
but his VP bush sr (mentored by Brzezinski) who was a globalist liberal wearing the stripes of a republican did push it

bush sr as POTUS pushed it and negotiated it

Clinton pushed it through the democrat controlled congress


nafta and freetrade was/is a big mistake

you can NOT have 'freetrade' when labor costs are not even or equal


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the flood gates were opened in 1965...EVERY amnesty bill was written by ted kennedy....

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In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’
old liberal ted lied

as usual all liberal can do is lie

Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.

The 1986 Immigration Reform Act that rewarded illegal aliens with amnesty was known as the Simpson-Massoli bill of 1986. When first drafted, the bill was suppose to make it a criminal offense for aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States a federal criminal act and that it would be a federal crime for employers to hire illegal aliens.

Here's what happened, the Democrats in Congress refused to sign on this bill unless the 1.5 million illegal aliens already thought to be in the country illegally and would qualify for amnesty were rewarded amnesty. (reason being, if these illegal’s were to become U.S. citizens, guess what party they would most likely vote for ? )

So the amnesty part was added on to the bill other wise the Democrats wouldn't sign on. And to muffle the out cry, the American people were told that this amnesty was a one time thing and would never be repeated again.

Well the bill passed both houses of Congress and President Reagan signed the bill. In the inner circles of the administration, Ronald Reagan was to have said he may have made a mistake by signing the bill.
Guess what ?, it wasn't 1.5 million illegal aliens who would have qualified for amnesty. It turns out that over 3 million were rewarded with amnesty, mostly because of the fraud that took place during the amnesty process. Phony rent receipts, phony pay check stubs, liberal judges expunging criminal records of illegal aliens!!!

And after the bill became law, you had Teddy Kennedy watering down the enforcement part of the bill that had to do with enforcing and prosecuting employers who hired illegal aliens.




again what can you count on... liberals will lie no matter what

liberalism (fascism) is a mental disease
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
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Long-Standing Support for Free Trade with Mexico. Ronald Reagan first proposed a free trade agreement between the U.S. and Mexico in his 1980 presidential campaign. Since that time, The Heritage Foundation is proud of the role it has played in articulating President Reagan's vision of free trade in Latin America and around the world. Since the mid-1980s, Heritage analysts have been stressing that a free trade agreement with Mexico not only will stimulate economic growth in the U.S., but will make Mexico a more stable and prosperous country. Heritage has published over three dozen studies stressing the benefits of free trade in North America.
Proposed concept behind NAFTA in 1979
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Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico. This idea, largely overlooked or dismissed as a campaign gimmick in the US, rankled nationalist sensibilities in the neighboring nations. But Reagan was serious in his proposal. Though he traveled only once outside the North American continent during his first 57 years, he was neither insular nor isolationist. California has windows to the world in Asia, and Reagan thought of the US as a Pacific power as well as an Atlantic one. He also had a Californian’s consciousness of Mexico and an actor’s appreciation of Canadians, who are well-represented in the film community. The dream of a North American accord would drive the successful pursuit of a US-Canadian free trade agreement and a future-oriented “framework” trade agreement with Mexico
Now if all that weren't enough, here is an excerpt from Reagan's 1979 campaign announcement where he quite explicitly expresses support for a US-Canada-Mexico pact. Right out of his own mouth. Anybody who watches this and continues to claim he was somehow against NAFTA lives in a fantasy world.



And to cap it all off, listen to what he says starting at the 4:00 minute mark!!!! It is about the most un-Trumpesque thing any politician could ever imagine saying!
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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A few years ago I would have disagreed.

However given how far to the left the party has moved and given how Jim Webb got driven out of the party. I have no doubt Kennedy would be driven out of the party now. So would Truman
True. Can you imagine what the left and the DNC would do to a democratic president that CUT taxes? In this day and age? Forget about ever getting elected to anything ever again.

It seems even too far fetched to imagine.

And imagine if he said “Ask not, what your country can do for you.”

That goes against everything the Democratic Party stands for.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:14 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Jim Webb would be president right now if the hard left not hijacked the party. He is a good man. don't agree with him on everything but I would not be upset if he were president.
No, he wouldn't. He had zero personality; zero excitement; zero enthusiastic base.

I consider myself a 'centrist' and Jim Webb did not appeal to me at ALL.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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No, he wouldn't. He had zero personality; zero excitement; zero enthusiastic base.

I consider myself a 'centrist' and Jim Webb did not appeal to me at ALL.
And this has what to do with the ability to govern?
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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And this has what to do with the ability to govern?
If you can’t get elected, it doesn’t matter how much ability you have.

You said Webb would be president. Not whether he would govern effectively.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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He would've been treated the way Jeb Bush was in the primaries.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:38 PM
 
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No, not at all. Stupid question, stupid poll.
Reagan could not win a Republican primary today if he had to use his record as governor and president as his legislative history. Sorry, but that’s a fact.

His gun control beliefs alone would torpedo his chances before he even left his house.

Stop it. You’re being silly.
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