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Old 10-13-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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So yes or no to having turned all of Korea over to the Communists in 1950 and having the entire peninsula controlled by the Kim's?
Korea wasn't ours to turn over or defend. Its this arrogant thinking that gets our troops killed.
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And yes or no to having to fight the Japanese in California with the loss of millions of Americans' childrens' lives?
Never happened, was never gonna happen but if it did I would be for forcefully defending.

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And yes or no to having the Germans set up death camps in Massachusetts, Virginia, and Florida?
How would they do this without subjugating us first? Would never have happened regardless of our entry into WWII.
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Feel free to cower. The rest of us are not afraid to fight evil, and to protect your right to be a poltroon.
Calling the one with enough integrity and moral consistency to question the wars a coward =Phony patriot 101
And noted that you never directly answered my question
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Korea wasn't ours to turn over or defend. Its this arrogant thinking that gets our troops killed.

Never happened, was never gonna happen but if it did I would be for forcefully defending.


How would they do this without subjugating us first? Would never have happened regardless of our entry into WWII.
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Calling the one with enough integrity and moral consistency to question the wars a coward =Phony patriot 101
And noted that you never directly answered my question
Nor did you answer mine. Just a lot of weaseling and bitterness at your lack of historical knowledge, and obvious ignorance at how national service actually works -- which is not surprising...
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Nor did you answer mine. Just a lot of weaseling and bitterness at your lack of historical knowledge, and obvious ignorance at how national service actually works -- which is not surprising...
More muddling, we weren't discussing national service. You were asked if you would send a child to die for Koreas self interests.You came back with hypotheticals and straw men which I answered as best as anyone could. You have yet to answer my one simple question.

Put me on ignore if you cant discuss with integrity.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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I tend to agree with the OP. We haven't really fought a war for our freedom since probably the war of 1812. World War II was us butting into European and Asian business. Pearl Harbor was bombed as a preemptive strike and also because we had been strangling Japan's ability to acquire resources. All the wars since then have been abominations.

I appreciate the service of our military members, but they aren't really "fighting for our freedom". It's really more like fighting for our messed up politicians.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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More muddling, we weren't discussing national service. You were asked if you would send a child to die for Koreas self interests.You came back with hypotheticals and straw men which I answered as best as anyone could. You have yet to answer my one simple question.

Put me on ignore if you cant discuss with integrity.
LOL. A fantasist accuses me of hypotheticals and straw men, and pretends to deny a discussion of national service after asking a loaded, hypothetical question about national service.

Thanks, Frank. There but for the grace of God and all that.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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LOL. A fantasist accuses me of hypotheticals and straw men, and pretends to deny a discussion of national service after asking a loaded, hypothetical question about national service.

Thanks, Frank. There but for the grace of God and all that.
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Put me on ignore if you cant discuss with integrity.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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a helpful reminder:
I note that you do do not follow your own advice. A rare wise move. You may learn something, in spite of yourself.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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Can you answer my question? Im not the one cowering here.
Lotsa folks I met, used underfear as a cover to keep them from getting exposed or killed.

My good Viet Marine friend, though, after Nixon got elected, told me he was just going to STAY OUT OF THE WAY, for the rest of his life.

From that skill for survival, I took it up, too.

Course, the WAY kept finding and attacking me.

Probably cause I never bought, nor wore, underfear as a very sexy thing.

Where there's a WAY, there's a WAR.

My wore is worn.

It significates a worning, though.

Knowm sane?
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Name one war where us fighting it literally meant if we didn't fight it we would have been conquered and not allowed to vote or have our rights. The only one I can think of is our fight to become independent against Britain. No soldier alive today has literally fought for our freedom. All the other wars were us fighting on foreign soil usually imposing our belief system and political system on them (Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam).
I could not agree more. Well said. Thank you.

Sometimes repping a post is not enough.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Name one war where us fighting it literally meant if we didn't fight it we would have been conquered and not allowed to vote or have our rights. The only one I can think of is our fight to become independent against Britain. No soldier alive today has literally fought for our freedom. All the other wars were us fighting on foreign soil usually imposing our belief system and political system on them (Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam).
Come on, you have to at least mention ww2. The pearl harbor stuff, have to at least remember that forever
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