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Now, many of the stadiums built have had various financial incentives, but those are state and local issues, not federal. There's basically nothing Trump or the federal government can do.
What, facts? Just as the Trumpistas built up a good rage, you had to point out that they know as much as their God-Emperor - that is to say, nothing.
once again i will remind you, and others, that the right to free speech is not a freedom from responsibility, or a freedom from consequences. but you still dont get that do you? trump is not attacking free speech, so much as he is attacking the lack of respect being shown by the players and the NFL as a whole.
but once again you are also of the rights for me but not for thee mindset. meaning you think the players can say or do what ever they want and those that oppose them have to shut up and accept that. well i say you are teh one trying to limit peoples free speech rights, not trump.
and trump calling for the end of subsidies doesnt mean that will necessarily happen now will it?
Actually, the right to free speech is the right to freedom from consequences from the government. So you're wrong.
Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from all (read: non-Government) consequences of said speech. I never said that it didn't mean that?
Who are you talking to here? This point seems very irrelevant.
But the First Amendment does very specifically discuss government's role in all of this, and Trump is walking a very fine line here that could get him a heap of trouble depending on how things go on this matter.
I'm not trying to dictate anyone's speech. You are welcome to think whatever you want. Trump, for that matter, is welcome to think whatever he wants. The players are also welcome to think (and act) in whatever way they want. You need to read the words that I have written - I have never said differently anywhere.
But the government is not allowed to take actions because of anyone's speech. This is stipulated in the First Amendment. Things could get ugly here if Trump is stupid enough to force any of these threats through.
trump CAN order that the NFL be investigated to see if they are maintaining their responsibilities under their charter as a 501 type organization though to make sure they are in fact following the rules set forth by congress.
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Actually, the right to free speech is the right to freedom from consequences from the government. So you're wrong.
yes, there is freedom from consequences from government, but all too many people here are thinking it is freedom from ALL consequences. meaning the owners of the teams or the NFL commissioner cant do anything, and that is what i am pointing out.
but beyond that since the NFL is classed as a 501 type body, they have certain rules they must follow to maintain that status, if they dont they can lose that status, and it is up the the IRS to investigate them, and trump CAN call for that if he feels they are violating those rules.
yes, there is freedom from consequences from government, but all too many people here are thinking it is freedom from ALL consequences. meaning the owners of the teams or the NFL commissioner cant do anything, and that is what i am pointing out.
but beyond that since the NFL is classed as a 501 type body, they have certain rules they must follow to maintain that status, if they dont they can lose that status, and it is up the the IRS to investigate them, and trump CAN call for that if he feels they are violating those rules.
I don't remember reading anywhere in the tax code that 501(c)(3) status was contingent on requiring your employees to stand during the National Anthem. Can you tell me which subsection covers this most interesting requirement?
but beyond that since the NFL is classed as a 501 type body, they have certain rules they must follow to maintain that status, if they dont they can lose that status, and it is up the the IRS to investigate them, and trump CAN call for that if he feels they are violating those rules.
Once again, the NFL has already abandoned their tax-free status, as of 2 years ago:
The NFL league office will relinquish its status as a tax-exempt business after more than 70 years, ending several recent controversies and misunderstandings about why such a wealthy enterprise even needed it.
Individual NFL teams had been taxable businesses, but not the league office, which was set up as a not-for-profit, tax-exempt business.
I don't remember reading anywhere in the tax code that 501(c)(3) status was contingent on requiring your employees to stand during the National Anthem. Can you tell me which subsection covers this most interesting requirement?
its not that, but rather the issue of following the rules. in some of these 501 groups, they are NOT allowed to be political, and sorry but not standing for the national anthem is a political statement. and if the owners are letting their players make that political statement, and if the NFL as a whole is letting those player make a political statement, then the NFL is violating the rules and their status can be revoked.
its not the standing or not standing for teh anthem, its the political statement being allowed to be made.
Trump has no business calling for that and meddling in private industry matters. He is walking a dangerous path with these public statements (with First Amendment saying "hello" as he walks by). It's one thing to "state an opinion" - it's another thing to bully or make overt threats against the players or the league.
And it's funny for me to write any of this because I adamantly dislike the NFL and don't watch it. Still - Trump needs to stay the hell out of this. He's creating a potentially serious mess for himself.
He's just still pissed off that he lost his football team when he tried to go head to head with the NFL and his wannabe football league and lost, causing his whole league to disappear.
Hasn't managed to buy an NFL team since. Last time he was outbid by $600 million.
its not that, but rather the issue of following the rules. in some of these 501 groups, they are NOT allowed to be political, and sorry but not standing for the national anthem is a political statement. and if the owners are letting their players make that political statement, and if the NFL as a whole is letting those player make a political statement, then the NFL is violating the rules and their status can be revoked.
its not the standing or not standing for teh anthem, its the political statement being allowed to be made.
This sounds like you're repeating something that you think you might have heard but actually don't know much about. Under Section 501(c)(3)(B)(29)(iv), an exemption applies only if "the organization does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, exempt organizations are prohibited from participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign for any candidate for elective public office, including making contributions to political campaigns or making statements of position."
There is no broad "political activity" prohibition. It is a specific prohibition. Moreover, this prohibition applies to the exempt organization itself, not its employees (unless they are speaking on behalf of the company).
its not that, but rather the issue of following the rules. in some of these 501 groups, they are NOT allowed to be political, and sorry but not standing for the national anthem is a political statement. and if the owners are letting their players make that political statement, and if the NFL as a whole is letting those player make a political statement, then the NFL is violating the rules and their status can be revoked.
its not the standing or not standing for teh anthem, its the political statement being allowed to be made.
It was exempt until 2015, when it voluntarily changed its status.
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“The fact is that the business of the NFL has never been tax exempt,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said in an April 2015 memo. “Every dollar of income generated through television rights fees, licensing agreements, sponsorships, ticket sales and other means is earned by the 32 clubs and is taxable.”
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