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Which is basically what is being done if people would actually bother to read the sources...
girls and boys in one group in CUB SCOUTS
SEPARATE groups with the same curriculum and awards after they get out of cub scouts.
This is an informative thread just to show the people who like to knee jerk react without actually doing any kind of cursory investigation into the matter at hand though...
I read this the first time you posted it and I'm replying with that knowledge in mind.
"Wanting" something is not a logical argument. It's how a child defends their position.
And they are definitely preventing girls from doing the exact same thing, by, oh, I don't know, excluding them?
Girls have GSA and YES they absolutely CAN and DO the same things as the boys...even having an equivalent of the coveted Eagle Scout Award called the Gold Award.
The Girl Scouts are mired in old-fashioned dogma about the proper place in society for the women their members will become. They perpetuate the image of women as auxiliaries to men. The "separate but equal" concept of having a girls' organization, doesn't work, any more than it did for racial groups in education. The segregated military corps for women, kept them stuck in 2nd-class roles. Only by putting them together with men, in single organizations, can they have a fair chance at equal status.
Many former members would probably defend the Girl Scouts, not realizing what they were being carefully and slyly molded to do in life. There was also a strong, puritanical element in keeping the sexes separate. Just think how much more lively and inspirational the camp-outs will be now. Rather than all the scout organizations working to take their young members' minds off of the opposite sex, they'll probably be giving them sex-ed classes and birth-control instruction. Which are things of which our society needs much more.
I think the program should be not be opened to girls. We are always hearing that girls need single sex programs to give them an open environment to learn and develop to their potential well so do boys. They need an environment where they can learn to be a man and to do so without being corrected for everything they do that girls may not like, they get enough of that in every other aspect of their life.
If the girls don't like the Girl Scout program as it is then change it. Of course how much would they like their girl programs having to accommodate boys?
Yes!
This is a camp that is run every year and it is ONLY for girls:
People should read the article and not rage over the headline. It's not mixing girls and boys or making the Girls Boy Scouts, it's a separate division within the Boy Scouts for girls.
I'm just telling you that no matter what, women and men will never be on an equal basis. What do you think is going to happen when there are races, wrestling matches, pull up contests (girls don't have near the upper body strength a boy has) and the girls start to lose, constantly? Don't you think it will break their spirit instead of strengthening it?
If you understood history and how various cultures/civilizations throughout time have segregated boy and girls, you'd know the answer to that question.
Girls and boys need to learn how to get along with each other, both as individuals and groups. Keeping them separate when they're younger is not going to accomplish this and might in fact, impede it, when they get older. Making them think they have to be separate at age 8, may make it more likely they will accept it, when age 11 or at any later time.
I remember my days in the Cub Scouts. Among our classmates at school, the boys and girls did not mingle and rarely even spoke to one another, even though each desk had a boy and girl seated together. Then the boys went to Cub Scout meetings and the girls went to the Brownies. More total separation.
If there had been just one organization for all and the small activity groups had been mixed, we would have been together and able to interact in a way denied to us otherwise. That would have been so nice. As an only child, with no sisters, it would have been a blessing that could have benefited me my whole life. Boys might have been exposed to some skills traditionally (and wrongly) limited to girls and vice-versa.
The current proposal by the Boy Scouts calls for separate, single-sex, small activity groups (dens) for boys and girls, in the Cub Scouts. Hopefully, that will change later, with full integration at the den level.
They can learn to do that at school, at church, in their neighborhoods and peer groups.
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