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View Poll Results: Do you feel the confederate flag has a racist message?
Yes and I am a liberal 43 18.45%
Yes and I am a conservative 9 3.86%
Yes and I am an independent 53 22.75%
No and I am a liberal 13 5.58%
No and I am a conservative 50 21.46%
No and I am an independent 65 27.90%
Voters: 233. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-15-2017, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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How American oligarchs created the concept of race to divide and conquer the poor

"... upward redistribution continues, and racism is still being used keep poor and working-class blacks and whites fighting over crumbs, while the top 1 percent takes the cake."
You're getting closer now.

Our problem isn't racism. It's classism.

 
Old 10-15-2017, 09:18 PM
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Location: North Pacific
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You're getting closer now.

Our problem isn't racism. It's classism.
Sad as it seems to be working ...
 
Old 10-15-2017, 09:41 PM
 
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to understand the real reasons of the civil war, you have to understand finances and follow the money. All wars are all based on $$$$$ and revenues.

Treasury was in financial crisis, with less than $500,000 on hand and millions in unpaid bills. The Union urgently needed new revenue. Bray Hammond, a Pulitzer Historian, and economist historian concluded, "the impetus for revising the tariff arose as an attempt to augment revenue, stave off 'ruin,' and address the accumulating debt.

the Union was going broke and in debt, so they forced the Morrill Tariff ACT on the South, which was a 40% sales tax. The South pretty much had enough and left and declared their independence.

Lincoln couldn't let them go, the Union's Treasury was in bad shape, so the Civil War was more a war of a Tax Rebellion not about slavery.

Go read Bray Hammond's 1958 Pulitzer Prize for History for Banks and Politics in America from the Revolution to the Civil War (1957)......it shows how bad the Union's treasury was in debt and how that influenced Lincoln to wage war on the South to impose a tax and force them back in the Union.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ban...ond/1100415381
 
Old 10-15-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Sadly, the poll omits the option for American sovereigns without subjects (non-partisan) to vote.
 
Old 10-15-2017, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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to understand the real reasons of the civil war, you have to understand finances and follow the money. All wars are all based on $$$$$ and revenues.

Treasury was in financial crisis, with less than $500,000 on hand and millions in unpaid bills. The Union urgently needed new revenue. Bray Hammond, a Pulitzer Historian, and economist historian concluded, "the impetus for revising the tariff arose as an attempt to augment revenue, stave off 'ruin,' and address the accumulating debt.

the Union was going broke and in debt, so they forced the Morrill Tariff ACT on the South, which was a 40% sales tax. The South pretty much had enough and left and declared their independence.

Lincoln couldn't let them go, the Union's Treasury was in bad shape, so the Civil War was more a war of a Tax Rebellion not about slavery.

Go read Bray Hammond's 1958 Pulitzer Prize for History for Banks and Politics in America from the Revolution to the Civil War (1957)......it shows how bad the Union's treasury was in debt and how that influenced Lincoln to wage war on the South to impose a tax and force them back in the Union.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ban...ond/1100415381
Totally agree. I've been harping on this for a while now. The Media, Education, and much of our government wants everyone to think it was purely about slavery. This is to keep the divisive mentality, and partisan bickering going. If we are divided we are more easily controlled. It isn't tinfoil hat stuff anymore.
 
Old 10-15-2017, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Looks like those liberals have a deep hate for the south.
 
Old 10-16-2017, 01:17 AM
 
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Totally agree. I've been harping on this for a while now. The Media, Education, and much of our government wants everyone to think it was purely about slavery. This is to keep the divisive mentality, and partisan bickering going. If we are divided we are more easily controlled. It isn't tinfoil hat stuff anymore.



what a lot of people don't understand that the REAL reason for the "CIVIL WAR" (it was more the war of Tax rebellion) is the North has been screwing the South in taxes since 1828 with the "Tariff of Abominations" It set a 62% tax on 92% of all imported goods. Those revenues were used mostly in the North.

by 1861, the final straw was The Morrill Tariff 40% sales tax, The South had enough and left and declared their independence. The Union's Treasury was in financial crisis, they were in debt and couldn't afford to let the South go.


Washington and the founding fathers declared their independence from the British and fought and killed for lower tax rates and tariffs imposed by the British compared to the taxes imposed to the South by the North....they also had slaves but like the civil war, it had nothing to do why the 2 wars were fought.

so the Civil War was more a war of Tax Rebellion and independence.......Lincoln could care less about the slaves, he wanted the revenues and control kept at the federal level.

All wars in history are always fought over $$$$$$ and revenues, you just have to follow the money.

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Old 10-16-2017, 01:32 AM
 
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Both...depending on the situation. I don't really care though. To me, those people who hang to tightly to that flag have no real culture. I pity them.
 
Old 10-16-2017, 01:36 AM
 
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Looks like those liberals have a deep hate for the south.
Liberals have a deep hate for treason.

Southerners appear more at ease with it.
 
Old 10-16-2017, 01:40 AM
 
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Both...depending on the situation. I don't really care though. To me, those people who hang to tightly to that flag have no real culture. I pity them.
True that.

Hard to imagine waving around a flag around in honor of a heritage of racism, treason, and getting your butt kicked.
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