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Old 10-18-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Do you intend for my land to be confiscated for pipelines?
Do you plan on confiscating NATURE'S land to build huge swaths of solar arrays?
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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In China, a lot of things can become affordable when they have a captive, slave labor force.

Neither solar power, nor the Paris Accords will do anything to affect the climate of the planet.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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If green energy is so productive, why do they need taxpayer backing just to go bankrupt within months here in America?
you can say the same thing about oil and coal, both of which receive gov't subsidies.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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The nuclear meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979 put a fork in that idea....
The partial meltdown that spawned a variety of epidemiology studies which concluded that the accident had no observable long term health effects, but like a book about bird eggs that was junk science, it was enough to get dumb***** politicians and media personalities to effectively kill a perfectly viable and important industry.

If you look at the number of reactors, military and civilian, in operation in the US since the 1960s, and take the operational hours versus number of incidents/accidents, the operational safety record of US nuclear power is remarkable bordering on statistically perfect. We are that good at running nuclear plants. You could say the same thing about France. Their operational safety record for nuclear power is pretty rock solid as well.

Nuclear power is as good as electricity generation gets, and it's too bad that more than half the population of the world's greatest economic power thinks all reactors, their engineers and operators, and the program operational safety records are like Chernobyl or Fukushima.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: USA
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In an industry that relies on tax breaks and government subsidies to survive. Take those way and solar power would collapse overnight.
Unfortunately, that is true (except for remote places like Hawaii where fossil fuels are very expensive).

It'd be awesome if we could power the whole country / world with wind turbines and solar panels, but the numbers just don't work.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Trump is not interested anything but panders to his loyal cult. and they are mostly low information voters who think they can rewind the clock to a time when their skills were valued.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Because Trump is heavily invested in taking his base back to the 50s and he's not smart enough to figure this stuff out. He's our Hoover.
This.

The Trump base wants a 1950s economy. Coal, manufacturing, low-skilled manual labor, etc. They see the 1950s as America's "Golden Age" in every way. They don't realize that the world has moved on. Coal isn't coming back. More and more manufacturing is going to be automated. The future is high tech.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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OP: China Gets That Going Green Is A Win For Job Creation. Why Doesn't Trump?

You can substitute California for China in your headline as well. One of the reasons California's economy has been so strong over the last several years is the state's big push for renewable energy. Solar power created a lot of well-paying jobs, both for residential installs and for large-scale utility projects.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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There are new nuclear reactor designs that are much safer. NuScale Power has recently submitted a new design to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission: NuScale Power - SMR Nuclear Technology

As much as I'd like to rely on wind and solar power, we don't (yet) have batteries that are cheap enough to make wind and solar economical.
I don't doubt that the current nuclear technology is safe. But the problem is spent nuclear fuel rods and the other radioactive liquids are accumulating, and being stored in the nuclear plant site. That is unsafe. The plan to dispose it deep inside Yucatan mountains was derailed by Harry Reid.

Unless we can come up with a plan to dispose of the spent fuel and start implementing the disposal of waste we already have we should not be building any more new plants.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: USA
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OP: China Gets That Going Green Is A Win For Job Creation. Why Doesn't Trump?

You can substitute California for China in your headline as well. One of the reasons California's economy has been so strong over the last several years is the state's big push for renewable energy. Solar power created a lot of well-paying jobs, both for residential installs and for large-scale utility projects.
It's a jobs program funded by the government. Which is fine IMO. During the worst depression since the Great Depression, we need jobs programs.

My question is this: what will happen to California electricity rates? In most places that have pushed for wind and solar (like Germany and Denmark), rates have gone up dramatically.
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