What Libertarians Really Want (racist, borders, economy, permit)

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by Gungnir

Fault was the Farm Workers. They failed to ensure a binding contract prior to making investments on an ephemeral offer.

The solution is don't go off half cocked over a bar room offer.

So collective bargaining and labor unions are libertarian concepts? Interesting.

[T0103E]

Originally Posted by Freak80

Indeed. That's why I believe in accountable government: we need government based on democratic elections that are free of corruption by special interests. Special interests like to use government to screw people. Unfortunately, libertarians want special interests to have the freedom to buy elections...because...you know...freedom!

And libertarians are naive?

[Frank DeForrest]

Originally Posted by djmilf

So collective bargaining and labor unions are libertarian concepts? Interesting.

Sure labor can organize, unions just cant use violence to force its will on ownership. If there is a voluntary agreement between a labor union and ownership, both sides should honor it.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Gungnir

Are you claiming the US has a libertarian form of government?

Not even close. I'm simply pointing the hypocrisy of some.

Our wars violate the Non-aggression Principle. Taxes violate private property rights and the NAP, you can't get tax cuts without taxation, government can't subsidize industries if they don't have the income (or ability to borrow) through taxes to subsidize.

Libertarians and their principles didn't get us where we are, it was the state that we're disgusted and horrified by that did.

I never claimed they did. Locally I am involved with the (L)'s but the thing is, I vote for a candidate not a party. I was the official photographer at the (L) state convention last year. I got to meet Gary Johnson. I didn't vote for him because he never took it seriously.

I remain a (I) though. I thought I was on the outside in my belief that it's OK for us to come together to help those less fortunate. Being involved at least locally I have found others that believe the same thing.

Just don't tell me you want tax cuts while pimping for never ending wars.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Gungnir

Fault was the Farm Workers. They failed to ensure a binding contract prior to making investments on an ephemeral offer.

The solution is don't go off half cocked over a bar room offer.

Contracts end.

[FatBob96]

Originally Posted by djmilf

So collective bargaining and labor unions are libertarian concepts? Interesting.

Yes, sort of.

But only if participation in them is voluntary.

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by djmilf

So collective bargaining and labor unions are libertarian concepts? Interesting.

That's a really nice straw man you constructed.

That said neither are contrary to libertarian principles. How they are used may be.

Collective bargaining is not a violation as long as it is not leveraged to coerce, violate the NAP, or limit association (for example demand that all employees operate under a collective bargaining agreement) . Unions are not required for collective bargaining, freedom of association does not prohibit membership of any group.

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry

A child needs government to raise them from cradle to grave. An adult doesn't.

To think that the FDA which inspects less than 2% of our food somehow protects us is childish.
To think that paying higher prices because of government controlled internet is a good thing is mind boggling.
Good to know that if the restaurant is filthy you can just look at the health certificate on the wall given out by someone who was there for 1 hour over a years time and that means it's safe, Whatever you do don't use your own judgement.

Big evil government protect you from the big evil government housing boom and bust that ruined the eocnomy?

Thank goodness for government involvement in the weather because it's December, there's snow on the ground and if it weren't for govenment I wouldn't have the sense to go inside and get warm.

But you keep bowing down to your handlers if it helps you sleep at night.

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh.

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Contracts end.

Only under the term outlined in the contract.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Gungnir

Only under the term outlined in the contract.

So the contract ends and the workers are offered $1.25 because that is what the lazy SOB's on Wall Street demand to gautantee continued record profits.