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Old 10-30-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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Excellent! You should have copied and pasted the whole thing so people would actually read it.
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Are you enjoying our side of the argument?

Point out an inconsistency, and they just change the subject.
Where's the inconsistency/ hypocrisy?
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Are you enjoying our side of the argument?

Point out an inconsistency, and they just change the subject.
But the ends justify the means! Always!
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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Are you enjoying our side of the argument?

Point out an inconsistency, and they just change the subject.
Or completely ignore the question.......
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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But the ends justify the means! Always!
There's that rigid Libertarian thinking- land issues are situation dependent.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Or completely ignore the question.......
We haven't ignored any questions.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There's that rigid Libertarian thinking- land issues are situation dependent.
When you have no principles...sure...everything is situation dependent to what best suits me. That's the statist way.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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Anyone else? -what about animals, flora, ecosystems?
Whether flora and fauna count as "individuals with natural rights" is a whole different topic better suited for the Philosophy section. For this discussion, we'll stick to people, m'kay?

If the person who owns the land is IN NO WAY HARMING any other PERSON, what does it matter what they do with their land? I realize you're hoping to use the "spill toxic waste into stream" argument, but that initiates force and does harm, and that would be somebody distinctly violating the NAP.

So back to the question - if the person who owns the land is following the NAP and not single other person is harmed by their use of their land, why do you care?
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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We haven't ignored any questions.
Pangs of guilt showing here.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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There's that rigid Libertarian thinking- land issues are situation dependent.
No they aren't. Property rights, like any and all natural rights, are yours until you forfeit them by initiations of force against others. If a land owner does something harmful to other people with their land use, tha is initiation of force and they are forfeiting their rights. But if they do not harm other people, whatever they do is within their natural individual right to own and make use of property.

The only situation is if they are harming other people somehow. If yes, that's bad; if no, they're good to go.
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