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Old 10-22-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Big govt federal social programs such Social Security, food stamps and welfare have become dependent on the money changing crony capitalist/corporitist welfare state. This makes much more difficult and risk laden for the middle class to be sustainable financially secure without being a part of wall st crony corporatism in one way or another than it should be.

Socialism is based on constantly transferring earnings to others, whether they have earned them or not. Socialism is actually trickle down economics via crony-capitalism.

Ignorant liberals with socialist leanings like to say that paved roads and public schools are forms of socialism when they are not. They are merely services that are provided on a local city and town state level funded by the budgets of the respective places through tax revenue of the citizens themselves in the areas that are served. This is not socialism at all. Socialism is based on security blankets that were bought with other people's earnings who may possibly never have to use them or feel the effects of them on a local level. It doesn't make sense if you live in Minnesota to have to buy the citizens of Alabama security blankets, nor should they have to buy you yours.

When you get to the Federal level that is when it starts to become socialism and the problems of unaccountability start to happen. It becomes taxation without representation and this creates dysfunctional socialistic government. The bigger the population that uses principles of the crony capitalist/socialist welfare model, the more chance that adverse effects will occur such as corruption and deficits. This has been happening exponentially to the country for decades.

Look at a place like Cuba or North Korea, they may call themselves socialist but are full of crony-capitalism which funds their socialist models. There is also very much corruption. These are small nations who able to perpetuate their money changing as opposed to large and heavily populated cities and states in the U.S. who continually run out of other peoples's money with their socialist crony-capitalist welfare models.

The people who continually push for more socialism in the U.S. are inadvertently or possibly even consciously and nefariously pushing for a more crony-capitalistic/corporitist welfare state and are very dangerous to the economy in general.

For every cause there are adverse effects, Crony Capitalism and Corporatism are the adverse effects of all types of socialistic and welfare bail-out policies the U.S. has ever created, like it or not. Investing in stocks has become nothing more than investing in crony capitalism.
Jeez, where to even begin with this screed.

Social Security is something people pay into their entire working lives - its NOT and entitlement.

Look up the definition of socialism because you don't understand what that word means.

Crony capitalism is not the exclusive domain of neither Republicans or Republicans, but under Trump they are not even trying to hide it - picking the winners and losers and attacking anyone who does not kiss his ring.

Corporatism is another word for fascism; the merging of the state and corporation - a long-favored goal of the far right, and the next thing after that they want is a feudal state where rich barrons decide how things will be run.

Finally, your handle is downright hysterical! You are clearly neither.
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Old 10-22-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You belittled Americans telling they should be drinking beer and fishing just as any common pretentious snob of crony-capitalist enablers and participants may have. What does that say for you? You think that what you believe is better than what other people believe?

You reply to a thread with no useful or informative input whatsoever and someone think your opinion is relevant to the thread when you have said nothing of any insightful value. Strange.
I never mentioned fishing. You did. But I have nothing against fishing, so long as what is caught is released, or consumed as a food source.

What do you have against beer? Millions of Americans enjoy beer after a productive workday. Nothing wrong with that. Many intellectual types also enjoy responsible drinking.

You sound like a bitter, broken buzz kill. You should focus your energies on finding happiness in your life and filling the void. Please don't try to bring the rest of us down to your level of rage.
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Old 10-22-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Big govt federal social programs such Social Security, food stamps and welfare have become dependent on the money changing crony capitalist/corporitist welfare state. This makes much more difficult and risk laden for the middle class to be sustainable financially secure without being a part of wall st crony corporatism in one way or another than it should be.

Socialism is based on constantly transferring earnings to others, whether they have earned them or not. Socialism is actually trickle down economics via crony-capitalism.

Ignorant liberals with socialist leanings like to say that paved roads and public schools are forms of socialism when they are not. They are merely services that are provided on a local city and town state level funded by the budgets of the respective places through tax revenue of the citizens themselves in the areas that are served. This is not socialism at all. Socialism is based on security blankets that were bought with other people's earnings who may possibly never have to use them or feel the effects of them on a local level. It doesn't make sense if you live in Minnesota to have to buy the citizens of Alabama security blankets, nor should they have to buy you yours.

When you get to the Federal level that is when it starts to become socialism and the problems of unaccountability start to happen. It becomes taxation without representation and this creates dysfunctional socialistic government. The bigger the population that uses principles of the crony capitalist/socialist welfare model, the more chance that adverse effects will occur such as corruption and deficits. This has been happening exponentially to the country for decades.

Look at a place like Cuba or North Korea, they may call themselves socialist but are full of crony-capitalism which funds their socialist models. There is also very much corruption. These are small nations who able to perpetuate their money changing as opposed to large and heavily populated cities and states in the U.S. who continually run out of other peoples's money with their socialist crony-capitalist welfare models.

The people who continually push for more socialism in the U.S. are inadvertently or possibly even consciously and nefariously pushing for a more crony-capitalistic/corporitist welfare state and are very dangerous to the economy in general.

For every cause there are adverse effects, Crony Capitalism and Corporatism are the adverse effects of all types of socialistic and welfare bail-out policies the U.S. has ever created, like it or not. Investing in stocks has become nothing more than investing in crony capitalism.
I could have stopped reading at "Socialism is based on transferring earnings to others." Thats not really true. It's not about earning; it's about capital. Socialism advocates for socialized ownership of industry. Welfare economics is a purely liberal/capitalist invention, done to appease socialists who felt capitalism was treating workers unfairly.

The reason I could have stopped there is because everything else hinges on this incorrect exploration of socialism. You say public schools are not socialist, and welfare is. Now, I actually agree that public education is not socialist, but it's a hell of a lot closer to being socialist than welfare is. Welfare, if you know the history (and you don't; I don't need to ask to make sure), was started by people who weren't socialists who wanted to enact policy that would prevent workers from becoming socialists. Otto Von Bismarck is generally credited with establishing the first modern welfare state. He was no a socialist. Not even close.

Crony capitalism is the result of corruption. Nothing more.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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"corporitism is a product of of socialisism". OK, then. I think I've had enough Internet for today.
Indeed. It's a whole new level of absurdity.
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Old 10-22-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Says the assuming faux-intellectual socialist living in the armpit of the U.S., Michigan. Why bother responding to things you faintly understand. If you are not American and have little experience as an American, according your own words and attitude, apparently, then how can do you fathom what an American commonly is or thinks? From heresy and propaganda? You think living in Michigan represents the economy of the U.S.? It represents some the worst aspects of the economy. Fishing and beer drinking is your solution to dysfunctional socialist based crony-capitalism? These are the things that made Detroit a dump.

Assuming elitists are the worst types of socialists. That would probably be you. Try living in a dozen different states with all different demographics and get back to me. Or maybe don't respond to topics you have no real. comprehension of.

Let me ask you this, what does it say for the state of Michigan, which is very close to some very big lakes, that it can't even get safe drinking water to its residents in the 21st century? It is surrounded by lakes an the west, north and east and they cant even provide clean water. Shameful and broke elitist state with no working common sense.
You know, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to your anger at him for saying American's don't know what socialism is if you knew what socialism was.
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