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What if you were suspected of heinous crimes you didn't commit there OP should the police not bother arresting you and just got "rid of you quietly" because it would be a waste of time....didn't think so...
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People treat this as a simple issue. It isn't. If we had a trial the length of James Holmes', for example, for all obviously guilty defendant the system would seize up and not function. And I am only talking about killing people in Holmes-like situations, where the person is caught either during a massacre or so close to its end that they still reek of gunpowder or, in his case, his apartment was pre-armed with tripwires and explosive devices.
An earlier version of this post mentioned Charles Manson. I have changed my mind there since he was caught by detective work. Also he personally killed no one. In short, there was something to try. In the case of Holmes, Lochner and Rooff all there is to "try" is their descent into madness or depravity.
Even the worst, most violent and despotic dictatorships do this, and then usually only in times of open conflict.
So no.
I am also opposed to the death penalty, in general, but if we have to have it, I do think that a more expeditious route from sentencing to carrying out the final penalty should be streamlined in cases where the guilt of the perpetrator is evident absolutely and without doubt.
It seems to me that jbgusa would prefer a life under ISIS, where people are arbitrarily shot in the streets, or thrown from the roofs of buildings.
We are a nation of laws, not street justice. It's called civilization.
If a killer doesn't perish when arrested, the cops can't just kill him on the spot because we are a civilized nation that follows the laws we have made to govern ourselves.
Why even concern yourself with their conduct after arrest and conviction? They will never harm you or yours, or anyone else outside our prison walls.
Buddy, the Manson trials were almost 50 years ago and were a singular event. What's big deal? Charlie is now 80, in a wheelchair, and will die behind bars. There have been no theatrics out of him for decades. And it's not like we go through something like him all the time. We don't.
The trials were no mockery. All the perps were convicted and are still in prison. How's that a mockery? That's no mockery. That's American justice at work.
Roof got the death sentence. Berkowitz will die behind bars. The others you mentioned will, too.
It seems to me that if you want your justice served up hot, quick and bloody, you ought to move to somewhere in the world where that happens. There are plenty of places you can move to for it.
It seems to me that jbgusa would prefer a life under ISIS, where people are arbitrarily shot in the streets, or thrown from the roofs of buildings....It seems to me that if you want your justice served up hot, quick and bloody, you ought to move to somewhere in the world where that happens. There are plenty of places you can move to for it.
That's a long stretch between a massacre artist caught in the act and a person arbitrary being thrown off cliffs.
[quote=banjomike;49910093]The trials were no mockery. All the perps were convicted and are still in prison. How's that a mockery? That's no mockery. That's American justice at work.
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Roof got the death sentence. Berkowitz will die behind bars. The others you mentioned will, too.
This is a mockery; She was one of the group that murdered police officers and armed guards. Don't even try telling me this is justice.
SO?
it isn't a mockery, it's exactly how the system worked for her. She is an example of the system, she did her time and is doing better things. She paid her debt to society and is now trying to better things for those exiting the system, and you begrudge her?
The only time a suspect should be killed is if they present an imminent threat to others and is so immediate that deadly force is the most logical response.
BTW, the poll choices kind of suck, and none worked for me.
Me neither.
Just what we need, a bunch of Che Guevara's running around executing people
[quote=jbgusa;49910586]That's a long stretch between a massacre artist caught in the act and a person arbitrary being thrown off cliffs.
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The trials were no mockery. All the perps were convicted and are still in prison. How's that a mockery? That's no mockery. That's American justice at work.
It doesn't matter what I think of Boudin's sentence.
She was found guilty, was sentenced, did her time, and that's how the law works. She paid the penalty.
Most folks who go to prison get out eventually, no matter what their crime was.
Did I agree with her sentence? No.
But I didn't think the trial was a mockery, either.
Like I said before, if you don't like the system of justice we have here, there are other countries where the justice is not like ours. Choose your place and go be happy at last.
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