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Actually, Republicans ran against Hillary Clinton as if being a woman was a disqualification. Woman attacked her hair, makeup, weight, pantsuits, cankles, age, wrinkles, her husband's lack of fidelity, Trump said he "wasn't impressed" when he saw her backside, etc. Instead they chose the man who was older, fatter and personally cheated instead of being the victim of cheating. Since women were just as anti-female as the men, since the women attacked her appearance as much as the men did, it's unlikely we will see a female president for decades or longer. But it doesn't hurt to acknowledge the reality. Maybe in a few decades women will get sick of being treated as second class citizens and stand up for themselves, but I wouldn't bet on that.
How are women treated like 2nd class citizens?
There are many females in high ranking executive and government positions. Could have a list from here to the moon listing all the female executives and government leaders.
Hillary could not stop coughing and sneezing though. Donald Trump could talk for hours and hours on end for weeks at a time with out a cough or sneeze.
Hillary was a corrupt, crooked con-artist but her health was not good enough for the Presidency.
There are many females in high ranking executive and government positions. Could have a list from here to the moon listing all the female executives and government leaders.
Hillary could not stop coughing and sneezing though. Donald Trump could talk for hours and hours on end for weeks at a time with out a cough or sneeze.
Hillary was a corrupt, crooked con-artist but her health was not good enough for the Presidency.
Women in Congress represent only about 20% even though there are more women in this country than men.
Look at this study on women in IT, where it was noted that women make 79 cents for every dollar men make.
Recruiting and hiring. According to a 2014 study among UK firms, half of all companies hiring IT workers stated that only one-in-twenty job applicants were women. Further, various studies from multiple countries show that both men and women are twice as likely to hire a man for an IT job as an equally qualified woman -- a pattern that may be driven by unconscious gender biases.
Note above that both men and women were more likely to choose a man.
Look at how very differently Trump was treated than Clinton. He was fatter, older and openly cheated on his first wife. The health attacks on Clinton were very minor compared to her age, appearance, weight, clothing, hair, etc. and those attacks came from women that often had no self-awareness whatsoever. The first female presidential candidate was targeted for being a woman by women, just like in the study above, where women also were more likely to choose men above other women. We are a very long way away from women achieving parity with men. That's just reality.
Completely agree. Men don't seem to realize their laziness and increasing lack of education are going to come back to haunt them. At some point women will eventually stop being so passive about the dominant role men play in our society considering millions more women are attending college, doing the same jobs while making less money, raising the children, etc. At some point women will start standing up for themselves.
You do realize with the exception of a few selective western counties, most of the world is dominated by males and a rigid culture that limit women getting into male dominated fields. This includes all the major powers in Asia, Africa, Latin America, Middle East, and most the Eastern Europe countries. Poor countries don't have the luxury to put resources into the off chance a female will be good and want to get into a male dominated field. The exception are rich females or financially well off females. Probably 3/4 of the world is male dominated with western countries being the only exception, because these rich countries can afford to put resources into females for traditional male dominated fields, which is luxury non rich countries can't afford.
Regardless, I don't think women will ever do what you say they will. First, the majority of women value their appearance and I suspect that most women avoid careers that wears out their beauty like outdoor work, jobs that psychically exhausting, and dangerous jobs. How many female oil drillers did you see during the high price of oil days? How about linemen or plumbers? How many electricians? Second, you can't get around the biological clock. Women have a limited window to have children and with today's competition for good jobs and establishing yourself it taking longer, which means women have even less time. Men primary select based on looks and ability to have children. A late 30's women is actively avoid. Just go on a any dating site and you see most men avoid late 30's or any women in the +40 range. Not all men do this, but the majority on these dating sites do. The point is that women have until their later or early 40's to find a partner, which gives them more a more limited window to establish their careers. There is plenty of data to back this up.
Women aren't going to stand up or anything. When this country goes the way like any of the major Empires of the past so will your women crusade go with it. I expect financial aid will be distribute in the most efficient way, which generally means given money to males for male gender roles and females getting female gender roles. That is what is practice in poor and developing countries.
Truth is you can't always have it all and people need to decided what they want the most. Often times it's career or family and most female choose family.
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So why is that not okay but any corporate office filled with men is perfectly fine? Take a look at the entire history of US presidents over 200 years. See any women? No, there is not a single one.
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I am just curious what the standing up would involve?
I have to admit, I am male and at times I can be lazy. I am not highly educated either.
I live near a major university and go to coffee places occasionally near the university. Many of these ambitious college women seem very stressed out trying to get ahead while coughing, sneezing and blowing their noses while taking that 15 to 18 credit hour semester.
Can't imagine how much they will be coughing, sneezing and blowing their nose in that high
power executive position with that travel while while raising 2 or 3 kids.
I would rather be a loser, slacker gamer dude living in a basement.
It seems like many women go to university and then graduate school. Then a majority will have 2 or 3 kids and to get ahead they spend a small fortune on day-care.
I have never wanted to get married or have children. I am constantly amazed at how stressed out these successful women are. Then again, balancing 2 or 3 kids while trying to balance a well over full-time career seems like it would be difficult.
Yes it would be yet millions of women are doing it. Millions more women are attending college than men.
Guess it depends on if one considers the actions of Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein, etc. as a major concern or not.
That is demonstrably false. Men in a corporate position typically make more than women. Neither are physical jobs but men tend to be paid more. More men are promoted to manager positions. This is shown in wage studies constantly. This is not comparing a secretary with an oil driller. Look at congress, far more men than women elected. It all goes to the point that there are fewer women in leadership positions. Look at the GOP creating their "healthcare plan". They had NO WOMEN in their small committee. All men creating a plan that would apply to over 50% of the population.
Yes. Men in corporate positions Make more because they possess qualities or did the work that makes them worth more. Same with elections. You know women vote too. End of story. It's been proven countless time if you don't cherry pick your feminist sources for information that supports your bias.
Jewish men also make more than non Jewish men. Most billionaires are Jewish. Most NFL team owners are Jewish. How do you explain this!? By your logic they are more successful because they discriminate against christians. Are you anti Semitic also? See the fault of your logic?
Guess it depends on if one considers the actions of Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein, etc. as a major concern or not.
That is demonstrably false. Men in a corporate position typically make more than women. Neither are physical jobs but men tend to be paid more. More men are promoted to manager positions. This is shown in wage studies constantly. This is not comparing a secretary with an oil driller. Look at congress, far more men than women elected. It all goes to the point that there are fewer women in leadership positions. Look at the GOP creating their "healthcare plan". They had NO WOMEN in their small committee. All men creating a plan that would apply to over 50% of the population.
There are more women voters than men. Women are putting these men into Congress. And, as I already said, men work longer hours than women and have a longer total work history. It makes more sense that men would get promoted to management more since women work less than men do.
Yes. Men in corporate positions Make more because they possess qualities or did the work that makes them worth more. Same with elections. You know women vote too. End of story. It's been proven countless time if you don't cherry pick your feminist sources for information that supports your bias.
Jewish men also make more than no Jewish men. How do you explain this!? By your logic they are more successful because they discriminate against christians. See the fault of your logic?
Actually you do have a point here. I don't think a female will ever be promoted to a executive position in an energy company. The vast majority of operators and engineers are males. I know this from personal experience and have been at several power plants. The majority of women at power plants are in administration, where in operations are mostly men.
This push in western society for women to be equally represented in positions of power will ultimately result in Eastern cultures running the world in less than 50 years.
If women were meant to be equally represented in power positions, it wouldn't have to be forced. Anytime you force something, it becomes less efficient and more problematic. This is true for ANYTHING.........
Yes. Men in corporate positions Make more because they possess qualities or did the work that makes them worth more. Same with elections. You know women vote too. End of story. It's been proven countless time if you don't cherry pick your feminist sources for information that supports your bias.
Jewish men also make more than no Jewish men. How do you explain this!? By your logic they are more successful because they discriminate against christians. See the fault of your logic?
There are endless studies that show women are paid less than while having identical qualifications. They have done blind comparisons with a male vs. a female using the same resume'. And yes women are biased toward men too. Both men and women are more likely to choose a man. Both men and women are more likely to promote a man. Both men and women are more likely to vote for a man and as a result, there are more women than men in this country but men outnumber women in Congress 5:1.
Women accept being treated like second class citizens, they happily take the crumbs that are offered by both men and women.
There are endless studies that show women are paid less than while having identical qualifications. They have done blind comparisons with a male vs. a female using the same resume'. And yes women are biased toward men too. Both men and women are more likely to choose a man. Both men and women are more likely to promote a man. Both men and women are more likely to vote for a man and as a result, there are more women than men in this country but men outnumber women in Congress 5:1.
Women accept being treated like second class citizens, they happily take the crumbs that are offered by both men and women.
When men are writing all the rules, of course men will benefit.
"Endless studies." "Qualifications". Only if you cherry pick biased studies that don't include all variables and factors. Qualifications are only ONE FACTOR in determining pay and promotions. Do a google search and 9 out of 10 of the first page results show that the wage gap is explained by non discriminatory factors. You have to go to page 100 to find studies supporting your bias.
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