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Old 10-29-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Completely agree. Men don't seem to realize their laziness and increasing lack of education are going to come back to haunt them. At some point women will eventually stop being so passive about the dominant role men play in our society considering millions more women are attending college, doing the same jobs while making less money, raising the children, etc. At some point women will start standing up for themselves.
Don't you think that is an incredibly broad generalization? I know many educated, successful, younger men. I also know many educated, successful younger women. I work with many of both.

 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: So California
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Men, on average, are more willing to make work their first priority, rather than women who tend to have more balanced lives. You can't have it all, but still expect to advance as much as the person who is focusing more on his job.
Additionally, you will note that third wave feminists reject the idea that men and women have biological predispositions towards different things, despite the evidence. They cannot even explain why as feminism has made such strides since the 70’s, women's self-reported overall happiness and life satisfaction has plummeted steadily while men’s has remained the same. As women feel more pressure to take on more traditionally male roles, it has decreased their happiness (in general. there are always exceptions).
The point is, the idea that women make less money due to some sort of conspiracy is refuted by the evidence.


The medical school and law school statistics still show a slight male advantage, but the numbers actually in the profession are still much higher toward men, but may change in the coming years. The STEM majors are still overwhelmingly male by choice.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Men have been doing the same thing for decades. I don't think women are "better people" than men. I think men in positions of power are inclined to use it to control women - often sexually. We have seen many recent stories where that has been shown to be true. The difference with female teachers appears to be that the students are less likely to need to be manipulated - which is a very different subject.
I disagree. A young student, male or female, is not in a position to make an adult decision when sexually approached by a female superior....a teacher, coach or principal. To judge these children and assume they are not being "manipulated" discounts or negates the abuse of power by female educators in authority which is the issue, isn't it? Some men are sexual predators, but history shows women can be, too.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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Men, on average, are more willing to make work their first priority, rather than women who tend to have more balanced lives. You can't have it all, but still expect to advance as much as the person who is focusing more on his job.
Additionally, you will note that third wave feminists reject the idea that men and women have biological predispositions towards different things, despite the evidence. They cannot even explain why as feminism has made such strides since the 70’s, women's self-reported overall happiness and life satisfaction has plummeted steadily while men’s has remained the same. As women feel more pressure to take on more traditionally male roles, it has decreased their happiness (in general. there are always exceptions).
The point is, the idea that women make less money due to some sort of conspiracy is refuted by the evidence.

The medical school and law school statistics still show a slight male advantage, but the numbers actually in the profession are still much higher toward men, but may change in the coming years. The STEM majors are still overwhelmingly male by choice.
Please provide evidence that men make work their first priority and women do not.
Please provide evidence that women's unhappiness has plummeted as men's has remained the same.
Please provide evidence that women making less money has nothing to do with the gender factors being discussed here.

This has already been posted but here it is again:

Women Make Up Majority of U.S. Law Students for First Time
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/b...irst-time.html

"New enrollment in medical school in 2016 was evenly divided between women (49.8 percent) and men (50.2 percent)."

Number of Female Medical School Enrollees Reaches 10-Year High

https://news.aamc.org/press-releases...rollment-2016/

So considering how the numbers have changed year over year, more women are already attending law school than men, women have increased to match men in medical school (so imagine in five years) and millions more women are attending college than men.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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I disagree. A young student, male or female, is not in a position to make an adult decision when sexually approached by a female superior....a teacher, coach or principal. To judge these children and assume they are not being "manipulated" discounts or negates the abuse of power by female educators in authority which is the issue, isn't it? Some men are sexual predators, but history shows women can be, too.
Of course it is abuse of power whether male or female. That said, not sure that has anything to do with the lack of female leaders - the topic of this thread.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: So California
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Please provide evidence that men make work their first priority and women do not.
Please provide evidence that women's unhappiness has plummeted as men's has remained the same.
Please provide evidence that women making less money has nothing to do with the gender factors being discussed here.

This has already been posted but here it is again:

Women Make Up Majority of U.S. Law Students for First Time
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/b...irst-time.html

"New enrollment in medical school in 2016 was evenly divided between women (49.8 percent) and men (50.2 percent)."

Number of Female Medical School Enrollees Reaches 10-Year High

https://news.aamc.org/press-releases...rollment-2016/

So considering how the numbers have changed year over year, more women are already attending law school than men, women have increased to match men in medical school (so imagine in five years) and millions more women are attending college than men.

In general men place a higher priority on work, women's primary life focus is on raising children. Men are still the primary earners by a wide margin.

None of this is a slight on women.

Unhappiness. You can google and find as much proof as you want, but there are biological reasons.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...till-declining

Women choose different paths then men, that IS the gender pay gap. When you look at apples to apples women do just as well.

The report from the BAR association has men with a slight lead for Law students and a bit higher graduation rate, but who cares.

Similar for Med Schools.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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In general men place a higher priority on work, women's primary life focus is on raising children. Men are still the primary earners by a wide margin.

None of this is a slight on women.

Unhappiness. You can google and find as much proof as you want, but there are biological reasons.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...till-declining

Women choose different paths then men, that IS the gender pay gap. When you look at apples to apples women do just as well.

The report from the BAR association has men with a slight lead for Law students and a bit higher graduation rate, but who cares.

Similar for Med Schools.
What report from the BAR association? I posted actual links showing there are more women than men attending law school and an equal number of women as men attending medical school. And saying "men place a higher priority on work" with no proof means nothing.

"In 2015, the latest year for which data are available, 42 percent of mothers were sole or primary breadwinners, bringing in at least half of family earnings. (see Figure 1) Nearly another one-quarter—22.4 percent—were co-breadwinners, bringing home from 25 percent to 49 percent of earnings. This represents a continuation of the previous trends seen in CAP’s research using data from 2009, 2010, and 2013."

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-the-u-s-norm/

Now that is only looking at women who are mothers. Many women are not mothers, or their children are grown. Again endless links have been posted showing the pay disparity, the promotion disparity, the raw numbers in Congress, the increased education women are attaining and the higher percentage than men. These numbers for women are changing dramatically.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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Because women aren't already hiring nannies today? That is already happening. Many men have felt no obligation to raise the children they create and women were left to support those children alone. As a result, women learned that the answer was to get more education, hire nannies and not depend on men at all. Now men fear the women will do without them? That already happened and men created the scenario.
I would gladly pay to watch a show where they took a bunch of women and had them live a modern lifestyle with no men to turn to whatsoever.
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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I've been managed by a lot of female scientists and engineers during my career and in grad school. They didn't get to their positions because they were female and got special breaks (like how a lot of conservatives probably assume), they got to where they were because they were simply good. It really wasn't bad at all and they were absolutely great to work for and under. Outstanding scientists. Contrary to popular belief, they really didn't care at all that I was a male working for them, they just wanted the best science possible to be done. I really learned a lot from them and still ask them to this day for letters of recombination. They were much better than some male bosses I've had. Some of the alpha male garbage that dominates the personalities of CEOs in tech really needs to go, it often leads them to making insanely stupid and risky decisions that end up backfiring because they are running the company with bravado and not common sense.

Good god, what if you all have daughters as your own children? You wouldn't want the cards stacked against them now would you?
 
Old 10-29-2017, 05:38 PM
 
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I would gladly pay to watch a show where they took a bunch of women and had them live a modern lifestyle with no men to turn to whatsoever.
I would think the more likely scenario will ultimately be some level of parity but there may be a point where women have to overachieve in order to get the recognition required to attain that parity. That definitely is not the case now.
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