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Old 10-31-2017, 05:56 AM
 
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Get Ready For The Russian Funded Troll Network to start flooding social media sites with what ever they think will appease the Trump Supporters.
I've written many pages on this whole mess in part to lay it out, and in part to refute the Russian and Trump Obsessives network of collude'rs and deniers....from the very beginning and the narrative has not changed in pointing to the criminality of this Administration and all its players.

This is just the beginning, Imagine how many pages the Indictment and Charges Against Trump will be, "Itemized" over decades, Maybe we can get to see the Trump Name "falling off of building at a rapid rate". We can likely look to see a list of his "licensing agreements canceled" as the rats start scrambling, trying to build a cover nest, and claim they had to dis-associate themselves, they will claim that once they knew he was doing illegal stuff, they will claim they wanted no part. (we know they were in it up to their eyeballs)... but, they will lawyer up and we may not even need to spend a fortune itemizing their background, it may be enough to have them pulling out, which may lead to many dumpsters being filled with "Trump Logo Products" as some of these entities try and Re-Brand their Properties to dis associate with the Trump Brand. That may and may not be enough, it depends on how tangled the web is tightly weaved.

The sons and all their Jet Setting Around the Globe may well meet with many who are trying to save their own hides, start talking!!!! The Trump clan may make the Madoff mess look like a smaller game, but we may even find that somehow some of the un-recovered Madoff monies may well have cycled through Trumps hands as well.

When a volcano blows, it may blows off the whole top of the mountain,and the ash it spews can get in the jet stream and circle the globe. We already know that "Russian Underworld Dark Money" flows around the world... So... keep the eyes open to the list of other "Global Players", and what we may come to find out, is the attacks launched against our Allies by Trump, has been a bought and paid for agreement in the whole mix of this madness. Part of the Trump/Putin Agenda, to damage America and its Allies, then we can see how it included into its target all of the NATO Partners, and the UN (NATO is an organization designed to fight war, if necessary, in order to defend peace; whereas the U.N. is an organization designed to avoid war in order to maintain peace.)

The web that "Greed Weaves" brings all the malice, vile and corruptions that one can imagine and even that beyond the generalized imagination of the general public.
We can look at the list of the Manafort businesses, and then we contrast that against Trump and his claim of over 500 businesses.. Time may well show that this web was in Trump's mind the perfect cover to "Wash Money 24/7 -365 Globally".... yep.. Trump thought he outsmarted the nation, but what he does not know or understand is the fact: AMERICA is about "more than money".... This nation is built upon its "Integrity, the Constitution and the American Spirit and its People, that backs it" and that is "Priceless" !!!!

You can darn well believe that Trump is anguished, knowing that once the can is opened, the stench will be overwhelming!!!! When they go after his Taxes, then the list of the game Manafort played will look like its the baby to the big daddy Trumps schemes and games. Trump has told "The World", how smart he thinks he is, he told "The World" that he was smarter than the Generals and the Intelligence Community... When truth is, only a Swindler who has been a Swindler for Decades would think in such terms. but he made his biggest mistake when his self delusions led him to the thought he could "Overtake America" and create his own "Hitler Styled Legacy".

His Idolization of Putin, was a prime pointer that he wanted by any means to over take America to give him a postion to Rival that which Putin has over Russia.
From the placement of Devos to damage the dismantle education, to Carson dismantling HUD and Perry, Dismantling the EPA and Sessions promoting the Justice Department to go back to the Pre Civil Right Era Programming to incarcerate as many poor minorities and poor whites as he could craft policy to engage doing. We can go down the entire list of his Adminstration and then we can know what he meant by "getting the best and brightest"... what was not said, was that he was selecting those he felt could manage the "Dismantling of America's Governance System" and Turn it over to him as the Chief Authoritarian.
He showed this in every way and the Right Wing Tried to Normalize it... with Trump, sitting signing Executive Orders like he was "Sole Dictator" with a puppet Congress, that he pushed to the side and they stood willingly out of the way as in passively sanctioning the madness. He pushed discord to the extent that he attacked the press incessantly, and then to promote more divisiveness, he stood with the Nazi and Racist in Charlottesville, until the media forced him to make adjustment in his public statment, but he still did not have a change of heart or mind... he then went after the NFL.... Even as Hurricanes and Fires Ravaged the Nation, he was dead set on promoting social discord and contention in the General American Public. It's as if he studied Hitlers playbook, and then added as much of Mussolini's programming as he could mix in, all to keep the public off balance.

In the middle of all this erosion, where our Infrastrucrue is damaged and in need of repair, weather related damages beyond reasonable belief, and a devasted Mid West with drug epidemic, the inner cities population in economic distress and the rural blacks and whites in a Depression Era Level of Destitution... He is pushing a "Tax Cut For The Wealthy", when every indicator tells the Nation, that the last thing we need is a Tax Cut, .... What the Nation Needs in an INCREASE IN WAGES, AND A ELEVATION OF THE MINIMUM WAGE !!! When the wage of the people is elevated, the nation can repair and rebuild itself, innovation can flourish and the broken down and run down environments can rehab themselves, and the movement of currency through the economy uplifts all within the economy.. the governments job then is to keep interest rates low and fight off inflation, the stature of all improves, unemployment drops and A nation is economically able to support itself and its citizen population. This cannot happen when racism, bigotry and bias is at the core of an Administrations Agenda, that is focused on giving all to the wealthy, and turning its citizens into apprentice styled indentured servants.

(We should be learning from Japan, in how they have employed over 80% of their people age 20-60, and they have set agenda to urge the Unions to push for wage increase for the workers, instead of the excessively high profit margin only going to the executives and the corporate coffers, Japan has pushed for that money to be "recirculated through the hands of the people", as a means to support interactive function within their economic system, where everyone wins, including the nation).

The continuation of Mueller's Investigation will expose more than people are prepared to see, but need to see and they need to know. Truth is an Amazing Thing........ It is the "only" thing that can help right the wrongs in America.

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Old 10-31-2017, 05:58 AM
 
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Well, now. That's interesting.

Manafort, Kushner, and Don Jr. meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya. Nearly a year later her fraud case is abruptly settled by Session's DOJ.

Please keep us updated on what the House Judiciary Committee turns up.
Frankly, I think Mr. Mueller will be more successful than the House Judiciary Committee has been in getting answers full stop, the HJC is likely deferring to his investigations.

Settling a $230 million dollar case for $6 million did result in Ms. Veselnitskaya claim, it was "almost like an apology from the government".

(the underlying objective has always been to remove sanctions from the Russian oligarchs.)
 
Old 10-31-2017, 05:59 AM
 
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Perhaps Mr. Mueller will be more successful in getting answers than this Letter to AG Sessions dated (7.12.17) was:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3536...ate#from_embed
This is quite the letter. Well worth reading.

Seems Previzon Holdings, the company Natalia Veselnitskaya represented, paid a pittance to settle a fraud case that included laundering ill-gotten gains into high end residential and commercial property in Manhattan.

Sergei Magnitsky was the Russian lawyer who uncovered the fraud and whose death lead to the Magnitsky Act and subsequent sanctions.

https://democrats-judiciary.house.go...MP%20TOWER.pdf

"On May 12, 2017—just two days before the Prevezon trial was set to begin—the Department of Justice settled the case for less than $6 million and no admission of guilt. Ms. Veselnitskaya told one Russian news outlet that the penalty was so light that it seemed “almost an apology from the government.”

https://democrats-judiciary.house.go...russian-lawyer

Though the deadline of July 26. 2017 has come and gone, I can find nothing about the DOJ's response to this letter from the House Judiciary Committee.

So what happened?
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Frankly, I think Mr. Mueller will be more successful than the House Judiciary Committee has been in getting answers full stop, the HJC is likely deferring to his investigations.

Settling a $230 million dollar case for $6 million did result in Ms. Veselnitskaya claim, it was "almost like an apology from the government".

(the underlying objective has always been to remove sanctions from the Russian oligarchs.)
So nothing happened?

Sessions and the DOJ just ignored the letter from the House Judiciary Committee?
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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As I read some of the more recent postings since I contributed yesterday morning (some 900 responses since then, which I decline to wade completely through), we must recall this:


There will probably be two main issues: one, did Mr. Trump or members of his campaign staff collude with Russians concerning Russian interference with the election, including, but not limited to, the release of the stolen/hacked emails from the DNC and Mr. Podesta.


I can easily imagine that Mr. Trump, himself, was perhaps ignorant of activities being carried out on his behalf by Mr. Manafort, et al.


Indeed, Mr. Nixon was wholly ignorant of the Republican-orchestrated break-in of the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex.


Which brings up the second issue: Did Mr. Trump, upon discovering that Mr. Manafort and others engaged in activity with the Russians, attempt to 'cover up' for them?


Recall, that Mr. Nixon was informed of the Watergate break-in some three days after the event; Mr. Nixon then actively engaged in 'obstruction of justice', the infamous 'cover up'. Mr. Nixon resigned in August 1974 after he was forced, via court order, to release the 'smoking gun' tape, in which Mr. Nixon is heard to order his underlings to 'stonewall', etc. Mr. Nixon, facing certain impeachment over obstruction of justice charges, resigned.


We already have some slight evidence of Mr. Trump engaging in obstruction of justice, per his interview with Lester Holt (the firing of Mr. Comey).


I do think there is some circumstantial evidence of 'collusion', simply due to the timing of the Wikileaks release of the stolen emails: The DNC emails began to be released the very day after Mr. Trump accepted the Republican Presidential nomination; those of Mr. Podesta, the evening the 'Billy Bush' scandal broke. At the least, they are two odd coincidences.


Watching the White House response has been interesting. Obviously, they keep bringing up irrelevant issues, like the infamous Uranium deal. It is akin to an octopus: when threatened, that creature of the sea emits a flood of black ink-type substance, blinding its attacker, and allowing the octopus to escape.


There is a lot of black ink issuing from the White House and Trump supporters.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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This is quite the letter. Well worth reading.

Seems Previzon Holdings, the company Natalia Veselnitskaya represented, paid a pittance to settle a fraud case that included laundering ill-gotten gains into high end residential and commercial property in Manhattan.

Sergei Magnitsky was the Russian lawyer who uncovered the fraud and whose death lead to the Magnitsky Act and subsequent sanctions.

https://democrats-judiciary.house.go...MP%20TOWER.pdf

"On May 12, 2017—just two days before the Prevezon trial was set to begin—the Department of Justice settled the case for less than $6 million and no admission of guilt. Ms. Veselnitskaya told one Russian news outlet that the penalty was so light that it seemed “almost an apology from the government.”

https://democrats-judiciary.house.go...russian-lawyer

Though the deadline of July 26. 2017 has come and gone, I can find nothing about the DOJ's response to this letter from the House Judiciary Committee.

So what happened?
At this point it's anyone's best guess. Hopefully, Mr. Mueller keeps on keeping on.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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At this point it's anyone's best guess. Hopefully, Mr. Mueller keeps on keeping on.
Manafort, Kushner, and Don Jr. met with a Russian lawyer about either dirt on Clinton (emails) or Russian adoptions (Don Jr.'s version of events).

Ending American adoptions of Russian children was Russia's response to sanctions associated with the Magnitsky Act.

Magnitsky was the lawyer who uncovered the fraud that led to his death.

Session's DOJ settled the fraud case that led to Magnitsky's death for peanuts.

House Judiciary Committee can't get DOJ to respond to them on how the hell this happened.

Yowza!

Was this matter included in Manafort's indictment?
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:11 AM
 
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After all this time the Democrats find a convicted liar to be their conduit to the truth? lmao ....good luck with that....
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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After all this time the Democrats find a convicted liar to be their conduit to the truth? lmao ....good luck with that....

Pay attention. It's got nothing to do with Ds versus Rs.

Looks like the Russians are running roughshod over our DOJ.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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I admit I stopped reading posts after page 5.

I got turned off by some fellow posters who posted to gloat and attack other posters in I told you so attitude. It's pretty sickening.
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Says someone who constantly gloats about Trump's win.
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